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John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  3000
02-11-2004 05:51 PM ET (US)
Tequila!

Old stories with a clever twist on the morals...Enjoy!

Corporate Lesson 1
A man is getting into the shower just as his wife is finishing up her shower when the doorbell rings. After a few seconds of arguing over which one should go and answer the doorbell, the wife gives up, quickly wraps herself up in a towel and runs downstairs. When she opens the door, there stands Bob, the next-door neighbor.
Before she says a word, Bob says, "I'll give you $800 to drop that towel that you have on" After thinking for a moment, the woman drops her towel and stands naked in front of Bob. After a few seconds, Bob hands her 800 dollars and leaves. Confused, but excited about her good fortune, the woman wraps back up in the towel and goes back upstairs.
When she gets back to the bathroom, her husband asks from the shower, "Who was that?"
"It was Bob the next-door neighbor," she replies.
"Great!" the husband says, "Did he say anything about the $800 he owes me?"

Moral of the Story: If you share critical information pertaining to credit and risk in time with your stakeholders, you may be in a position to prevent avoidable exposure.


Corporate Lesson 2
A priest was driving along and saw a nun on the side of the road, he stopped and offered her a lift, which she accepted. She got in and crossed her legs, forcing her gown to open and reveal a lovely leg. The priest had a look and nearly had an accident. After controlling the car, he stealthily slid his hand up her leg.
The nun looked at him and immediately said, "Father, remember Psalm 129?"
The priest was flustered and apologized profusely. He forced himself to remove his hand. Changing gear, he let his hand slide up her leg again.
The nun once again said, "Father, remember Psalm 129?" Once again the priest apologized, "Sorry Sister, but the flesh is weak."
Arriving at the convent, the nun got out gave him a meaningful glance and went on her way. On his arrival at the church, the priest rushed to retrieve a bible and looked up Psalm 129. It Said, "Go forth and seek, further up, you will find glory."

Moral of the Story: Always be well informed in your job, or you might miss a great opportunity.


Corporate Lesson 3
A sales rep, an administration clerk and the manager are walking to lunch when they find an antique oil lamp. They rub it and a Genie comes out in a puff of smoke.
The Genie says, "I only grant three wishes, so I'll give each of you just one."
"Me first! Me first!" says the admin clerk. "I want to be in the Bahamas, driving a speedboat, without a care in the world." Poof! She's gone.
In astonishment, "Me next! Me next!" says the sales rep. "I want to be in Hawaii, relaxing on the beach with my personal masseuse, an endless supply of pina coladas and the love of my life." Poof! He's gone.
"OK, you're up," the Genie says to the manager. The manager says, "I want those two back in the office after lunch."

Moral of the Story: Always let your boss have the first say.


Corporate Lesson 4
A crow was sitting on a tree, doing nothing all day. A small rabbit saw the crow, and asked him, "Can I also sit like you and do nothing all day long?" The crow answered: "Sure, why not." So, the rabbit sat on the ground below the crow, and rested. All of a sudden a fox appeared, jumped on the rabbit and ate it.

Moral of the Story: To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting very, very high up.


Corporate Lesson 5
A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree," sighed the turkey, but I haven't got the energy."
"Well, why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?" replied the bull. "They're packed with nutrients." The turkey pecked at a lump of dung and found that it actually gave him enough strength to reach the lowest branch of the tree. The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch. Finally after a fourth night, there he was proudly perched at the top of the tree. Soon he was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot the turkey out of the tree.

Moral of the Story: Bullshit might get you to the top, but it won't keep you there.


Corporate Lesson 6
A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him.

Moral of the Story:
1) Not everyone who shits on you is your enemy.
2) Not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend.
3) And when you're in deep shit, it's best to keep your mouth shut!
DOMINIC  2999
02-11-2004 04:53 PM ET (US)
John M. Tequila. Here is what little I know about Tequila.

Tequila can come from the aproved tequila regions that include Jalisco, Guanjuato, tamaulipas and even a part of San Luis Potosi. Tequila is made from Webber Blue agave plant and comes in blanco, reposado and añejo. They are also now making a double and even triple distilled tequila. Mezcal is taditionaly associated with the state of Oaxaca but is made in many states as it is made from green maguey plant. The diference in plants is what makes the taste very different. The taste of reposado and añejo tequila is usually a lot smoother than mezcal. The stuff we were drinking at Dudley's was probably on the $ 15- $ 25 pesos a bottle range, so it was probably home made Mezcal or maybe even Sotol that we were drinking.
Sotol is a drink made out of the roots of maguey.
What is funny is that Sotol is now becoming an "export" product, going for as much as $ 45.00 USD in the USA.
The only other place on earth were you can find webber blue agave is in South Africa, but since "tequila" name is protected worldwide to the Mexico Tequila regions, they are calling it something like AGATEK or something like that.
One final note. The is a town in the state of Jalisco called Tequila, where most of the well know Tequila distileries are (Cuevo, Viuda de Romero etc, etc,) La fiesta Nacional del Tequila is the 1st weekend in December endind in a trmendous mega fiesta on sunday night. I highly recomend a field trip of your class students for those dates. You will need a camcorder to recall that weekend!
John Maroney  2998
02-11-2004 01:19 PM ET (US)
Ramon. Una pregunta. Last night one of my Spanish students asked me the difference between Mezcal and Tequila. Am I correct in assuming that Tequila not made in Jalico is called Mezcal? I told my student I would ask a higher authority. I always thought them to be different. It sure seemed stronger when we used to drink it at Dudley's in Tepotzlan. I would appreciate any input. Gracias.
Nick Sarracco "81"  2997
02-11-2004 11:21 AM ET (US)
Ramon: I look forward to your visit! I will supply all entertainment and the designated driver , as far as the funny stories , "Ive got a million of em" . I'll share them with you, up in the VIP room at the afterparty . ( If you can keep up :)
If I put up stories on this board , big brother might just start a probe .
Whenever I hear the word scotch , it reminds of Raul Bernat , who first introduced me to that delicious poison, on a night that can hardly be remembered at Garibaldi !!
WHOAA!! talk about hangovers. Im not sure if you are friendly with Raul , but see if you can drag him up here with you . I owe him some payback also . Get ready Son !!

 Dwight : If you make it up to NYC , be sure to look me up.
I can hear it now : " Bartender ,bring us the WHOLE bottle of Patron ,,,, please. Then Dwight can add my name to that infamous list of tequila hookups and at the same time we can get some NYC representation . As Jackie Gleason would say on the cult classic series " The Honeymooners "

  "POUR AWAY MINE HOST " ....

Lastly I am really into physical fitness,which leads me not to a funny story but to some sound advice . Im sure this will surprise some of you in regards to coca cola and pepsi .. Keep the kids away from it , as for the adults ,, too late , we're already cooked !!
fo-get-uh-bout-it :)

  >
>A recent SBC safety training session topic was heat stroke and
>dehydration.
>
>WATER OR COKE?
>
>WATER
>
>1. 75% of Americans are chronically dehydrated.
>
>2. In 37% of Americans, the thirst mechanism is so weak that it is often
>mistaken for hunger.
>
>3. Even MILD dehydration will slow down one's metabolism as much as 3%.
>
>4. One glass of water will shut down midnight hunger pangs for almost 100%
>of the dieters studied in a University of Washington study.
>
>5. Lack of water, the #1 trigger of daytime fatigue
>
>6. Preliminary research indicates that 8-10 glasses of water a day couuld
>significantly ease back and joint pain for up to 80% of sufferers.
>
>7. A mere 2% drop in body water can trigger fuzz short-term memory,
>trouble with basic math, and difficulty focusing on the computer screen
>or on a printed page.
>
>8. Drinking 5 glasses of water daily decreases the risk of colon cancer by
>45%, plus it can slash the risk of breast cancer by 79%, and one is 50%
>less likely to develop bladder cancer.
>
>And now for the properties of COKE:
>
>1. In many states (in the USA) the highway patrol carries two
>gallons of coke in the truck to remove blood from the highway after a
>car accident.
>
>2. You can put a T-bone steak in a bowl of Coke and it will be gone
>in two days.
>
>3. To clean a toilet: Pour a can of Coca-Cola into the toilet bowl
>and let the "real thing" sit for one hour, then flush clean. The
>citric acid in Coke removes stains from vitreous china.
>
>4. To remove rust spots from chrome car bumpers: Rub the bumper with
>a rumpled-up piece of Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil dipped in Coca-Cola.
>
>5. To clean corrosion from car battery terminals: Pour a can of Coca-Cola
>over the terminals to bubble away the corrosion.
>
>6. To loosen a rusted bolt: Applying a cloth soaked in Coca-Cola to the
>rusted bolt for several minutes.
>
>7. To bake a moist ham: Empty a can of Coca-Cola into the baking pan,
>wrap the ham in aluminum foil, and bake. Thirty minutes before the ham is
>finished, remove the foil, allowing the drippings to mix with the Coke for
>a
>sumptuous brown gravy.
>
>8. To remove grease from clothes: Empty a can of coke into a load of
>of greasy clothes, add detergent, and run through a regular cycle. The
>Coca-Cola will help loosen grease stains.
>
>9. It will also clean road haze from your windshield.
>
>For Your Info:
>
>1. The active ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid Its pH is 2.8. It will
>dissolve a nail in about 4 days. Phosphoric acid also leaches calcium from
>bones and is a major contributor to the rising increase in osteoporosis.
>
>2. To carry Coca-Cola syrup (the concentrate) the commercial truck must
>use the Hazardous Material placards reserved for Highly corrosive
>materials.
>
>3. The distributors of coke have been using it to clean the engines of
>their
>trucks for about 20 years!
>
>Now the question is, would you like a coke or a glass of water?
>
>Have A Great Day And Please Share It With Others.
>
Georgina Marquez  2996
02-09-2004 03:12 PM ET (US)
Ramon: Dime la fecha, hora, y lugar y ahi estoy. Que lindo, mil gracias.

Elena: Thanks for you kind words.
xenia/ Alumni Office  2995
02-09-2004 12:54 PM ET (US)
HOla a todos al ver su foro vi que quieren organizar una reunión en marzo en el D.F. acuerdense que es el desayuno de exalumnos el 20 de marzo deberian de venir. Se va a poner muy padre, va a haber un bingo con muchos premios. Les mando saludos y ojala puedan venir.
Alex Juarez  2994
02-08-2004 09:30 PM ET (US)
Hola Clase! How about a mini reunion in Mexico City in March. I will be there March 12 - 22. With a little lay over in Cancun from March 15-17.
Ana y Hector: Junten un grupo para vernos no?
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2993
02-06-2004 11:15 AM ET (US)
Hey Nick! Good to hear from you. If I make it up to NYC I will look you up.

My AHS hookups from 2003:
Dominic '81 (in Cinci)
John Hendrix '81 (in DC)
Tennyson Florida '80, Stephanie Seleznick '80, Gaby (Bino) Hebin '81, Felicia Ferrarez '83?, Lisa (Valero) Staikos '79 (in Tampa)

Hope to have more in 2004!

TEQUILA! :)
Ramon Ricoy  2992
02-06-2004 12:09 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 02-06-2004 12:10 AM
Hey Nick: since you check in every year or so I hope you do not read this in 2005. As I said before you will pay son. I intend to visit you soon. Since you have proven that I deliver.
Here is the deal, since posting 3000 is so close I will offer a bottle for any posting only and only if you have a great story to tell or a great joke, lets get them in, if I laugh I will deliver no limit of bottles, also for the best story I will deliver a bottle of Bowmore 17 years Single Malt Scotch, best distillery award in 2000.
Georgina: I think it is unfortunate that we only organize despedidas when you get married, therefore I will organize a despedida for you with Dancing included in Mexico City, everyone's invited. Sorry about the typos.
Nick Sarracco "81"  2991
02-05-2004 01:32 PM ET (US)
Hello to everyone !, Its been a long time since I posted ,
I do check in every so often to read up on some of the postings . I think Buhler calls me a Closet Voyeau,, or something like that . Right before the class of 82 reunion, I was lucky enough to post a message and the next thing I saw was a note from Ramon Rincoy telling me that I won a bottle of Tequila. The bottle was (it was three bottles really) shared by myself and some other people from the class of 82 . Since I see that we have a lull in our postings ,, I offer this up ! For the posting 3150 I will continue the tradition and have a bottle of tequila sent to your table at the restaurant of choice for the winner . OK Kids Start Posting ..... Ramon please let me know when you are in the NYC ,, so I can repay the favor. It has always bothered me that I posted for about a month, won the tequila , and stopped posting . The tradition lives on !!
Elena Rohweder Turner  2990
02-05-2004 11:19 AM ET (US)
Georgina: Good luck with all the details of the divorce. It's great that you have a clear head about it as in the end, the divorce is better if you almost look at it as a business transaction. Highly emotional decisions are rarely well made.

From the class of 80 chat:
From: Calo Time: 03:19 AM

Hi all! Como andamos? Passing on more info on the "mega-class" reunion we're having here in San Antonio scheduled for the weekend of June 25-27.

As of the last time I looked, there's been 4 more signed up for a grand total of 56, 34% of which are from '78. Class of '79 has 25%, '77 has 21%, and 22% come from a combination of the following: '75, '76, '80, '81, teachers, and 1 "unknown" (hehe... el soldado desconocido). It's gonna be awesome.

Como dice Lisa V., there's more info at www.ahs77.com. You can also sign up/register by sending an email to esr@tiendita.org.
Mientras mas vengan, mejor.

Muchos, muchos saludos a todos!

*~cheers~*
Georgina Marquez  2989
02-04-2004 01:01 AM ET (US)
Hola a todos. He estado muy desconectada. I have been going through a divorce (please no condolences, this is actually a good thing)lo cual me ha mantendio super ocupada. Les mando besos y abrazos a todos.
Anacecilia  2988
01-26-2004 12:21 PM ET (US)
ramon, estos si nos mataron!
Alex Juarez  2987
01-26-2004 11:24 AM ET (US)
Ramon, Great way to start the week! Thanks for sharing.
Ramon Ricoy  2986
01-25-2004 01:05 PM ET (US)
Have you ever spoken and wished that you could immediately take the
words back....or that you could crawl into a hole? Here are the
testimonials of a few people who did....

I walked into a hair salon with my husband and three kids in tow and
asked loudly, "How much do you charge for a shampoo and a blow job?"
turned around and walked back out and never went back. My husband
didn't
say a word... he knew better.

I was at the golf store comparing different kinds of golf balls. I was
unhappy with the women's type I had been using. After browsing for
several minutes, I was approached by one of the good-looking gentlemen
who works at the store. He asked if he could help me. Without thinking,
I looked at him and said, "I think I like playing with men's balls."

My sister and I were at the mall and passed by a store that sold a
variety of candy and nuts. As we were looking at the display case, the
boy behind the counter asked if we needed any help. I replied, "No, I'm
just looking at your nuts." My sister started to laugh hysterically,
the
boy grinned, and I turned beet-red and walked away. To this day, my
sister has never let me forget.

While in line at the bank one afternoon, my toddler decided to release
some pent-up energy and ran amok. I was finally able to grab hold of
her
after receiving looks of disgust and annoyance from other patrons. I
told her that if she did not start behaving "right now" she would be
punished. To my horror, she looked me in the eye and said in a voice
just as threatening, "If you don't let me go right now, I will tell
Grandma that I saw you kissing Daddy's pee-pee last night!" The silence
was deafening after this enlightening exchange. Even the tellers
stopped
what they were doing. I mustered up the last of my dignity and walked
out of the bank with my daughter in tow. The last thing I heard when
the
door closed behind me were screams of laughter.

Have you ever asked your child a question too many times? My
three-year-old son had a lot of problems with potty training and I was
on him constantly. One day we stopped at Taco Bell for a quick lunch in
between errands. It was very busy, with a full dining room. While
enjoying my taco, I smelled something funny, so of course I checked my
seven-month-old daughter, and she was clean. Then I realized that Danny
had not asked to go potty in a while, so I asked him if he needed to
go,
and he said "No." I kept thinking, "Oh Lord, that child has had an
accident, and I don't have any clothes with me." Then I said, "Danny,
are you SURE you didn't have an accident?" "No," he replied. I just
KNEW
that he must have had an accident, because the smell was getting worse.
Soooooo, I asked one more time, "Danny, did you have an accident?" This
time he jumped up, yanked down his pants, bent over and spread his
cheeks and yelled. "SEE MOM, IT'S JUST FARTS!!" While 30 people nearly
choked to death on their tacos laughing! He calmly pulled up his pants
and sat down. An old couple made me feel better by thanking me for the
best laugh they'd ever had!



This had most of the state of Michigan laughing for 2 days and a very
embarrassed female news anchor who will, in the future, likely think
before she speaks. What happens when you predict snow but don't get
any....a true story.. We had a female news anchor who, the day after it
was supposed to have snowed and didn't, turned to the weatherman and
asked: "So Bob, where's that 8 inches you promised me last night?" Not
only did HE have to leave the set, but half the crew did too they were
laughing so hard!
Jodi Philpot Arguello  2985
01-22-2004 05:55 PM ET (US)
Hey guys it's been a really long time. I lost the add., moved, computer crashed.etc. I now live in San Antonio and am helping to plan the reunion with Scott Keeler and Heidi Mendez and a few others. The dates are June 25 and 26. We will announce the hotel soon as we are viewing proposals right now. Please help us to get the word out. This really is going to be alot of fun. My phone is 210 545-0912 direct email is javjodarguello@msn.com. As soon as we have more info I will let you all know.
Elena Rohweder Turner  2984
01-20-2004 04:39 PM ET (US)
The all-class reunion I coordinated here in Dallas a few years back was fun and we had about 125 people show. So I am sure June in San Antonio will be fun. I have it on my calendar and welcome anyone from DFW who might want to carpool down there.
Homero Menchaca Falcon  2983
01-19-2004 06:42 PM ET (US)
i really haven't thought about it yet.
june seems to be so far out still

-----Mensaje original-----
De: QT - Lisa Cooper Gordon
Para: QT topic subscribers
Enviado el: 19/01/2004 05:07 p.m.
Asunto: AHS Class of '81

< replied-to message removed by QT >
Lisa Cooper Gordon  2982
01-19-2004 06:07 PM ET (US)
okay... so that would be... some of us are alive and well! will you be going to the multi class reunion in June? I hope you will think about it.
Homero Menchaca Falcon  2981
01-19-2004 05:57 PM ET (US)
haha
sorry this reply was meant for mike buhler's post about
this site going dead.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: QT - Lisa Cooper Gordon
Para: QT topic subscribers
Enviado el: 19/01/2004 04:55 p.m.
Asunto: AHS Class of '81

< replied-to message removed by QT >
Lisa Cooper Gordon  2980
01-19-2004 05:55 PM ET (US)
Homero - today is the 19th - what was the note about the 16th?
Lisa Cooper Gordon  2979
01-19-2004 05:52 PM ET (US)
Hi guys! my class ('79) messages are very quiet too!!! so I thought I'd see if anyone else was out there to talk to. I am trying to drum up some business for the multi class reunion in Texas in June. I am flying a very long distance (from NC to Texas) and paying lots of money ($400 airfare) -so I am hoping to see lots of faces that I have not seen since 1978 - when I left Mexico. Sue M. - r u going? I hope you will all consider joining us. all the best to you and yours in the new year. xo. Lisa Cooper Gordon. If you want to see who is going to the 2004 reunion, check out www.ahs77.com/going.html.
Homero Menchaca Falcon  2978
01-19-2004 05:50 PM ET (US)
only me and my voices...
 

-----Mensaje original-----
De: QT - Mike Buhler
Para: QT topic subscribers
Enviado el: 16/01/2004 12:54 p.m.
Asunto: AHS Class of '81

< replied-to message removed by QT >
John Maroney  2977
01-18-2004 07:04 PM ET (US)
Anacelia. It is refreshing to hear Mexico City described as beautiful. So often all I hear is how awful it has become. I quess it all depends on one's point of view. When my son asks about Mexico I always paint a colorful picture. One of his favorite books is a very colorfully illustrated biography of the artist Frida Kahlo. The little guy has a strong sense of cultural awareness.
Anacecilia  2976
01-18-2004 02:05 PM ET (US)
John M. como aguantas? Ayer fui al Nevado de Toluca a que Julia jugara con la nieve-(hielo?) and froze my b//t off! :) Desde que vivo en Vista Hermosa nunca habiamos tenido tanto viento. Needless to say, we have had an amazing view of the Popo and Ixtla which, by the way, are really covered with snow. Mexico City looks so beautifull, SI, aunque usted no lo crea. Complete opposites to where you are,increible no?
John Maroney  2975
01-17-2004 07:37 PM ET (US)
The site is not quite dead, but pretty close. It has snowed for nearly three days non stop here. It is beautiful. Very peaceful. No cars on the roads and absolute silence. All sounds are muted. A radical departure from El Desierto de los Leones where we lived in Mexico for a time. The mercury has dropped to ridiculous levels. It is the topic of conversation everywhere. I do not mind it. It gives me a keen awareness of the presence of God.
Hope everybody is fine. My Posada went really well. Dominic, thanks for asking. Take care all.
Mike Buhler  2974
01-16-2004 01:54 PM ET (US)
Oh no! This site has died! Is anyone out there???????
Sue MacIntoshPerson was signed in when posted  2973
01-08-2004 02:41 PM ET (US)
Elena, do you check your aol email? I sent you a message requesting your home address, but I haven't heard from you. So, if you want a very late Christmas card, send your address to suemac@san.rr.com.

Congrats, Cindy! Great news. Little does Kristina know how much her life has changed for the better, and that you probably, literally, saved her life through your efforts. Well done.
Alex Juarez  2972
01-07-2004 10:37 AM ET (US)
Cindy and Trent, My hats off to you! Wow whatan incredible couple. I am excited for you and for the rest of the family. I hope 2004 is even better for you.

Jennifer, Congrats! This is a great story for TV. Keep us posted.
Mike Buhler  2971
01-06-2004 11:44 AM ET (US)
Cindy & Trent: God Bless you, your family and Kristina. What a great Christmas present and what a blessing to get your message of hope as we start off the new year. Our prayers are with you all as you transition Kristina into her new environment of love and trust. Can you pls send me your email, I'd like to share something with you. I can be reached at michel.buhler@nii.com
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2970
01-06-2004 10:15 AM ET (US)
John, it's 11 degrees now here in Cincinnati :)
John Maroney  2969
01-05-2004 07:24 PM ET (US)
Jennifer WS. Good things come to those who wait. Good luck.
Dwight. What is it like in Ohio right now? Yesterday it was in the 50's here but now the temperature has dropped by nearly 50 degrees. The huge puddles in the pastures will offer fine skating tomorrow. That's life in Canada.
Cindy. Good job.
Elena Rohweder Turner  2968
01-05-2004 05:56 PM ET (US)
Cindy - Wow que impression! You and your efforts amaze me. Y echale a massive home remodel to boot. I want whatever vitamins you take. Actually I know the vitamins are your incredible drive to make a difference in these children's lives. I have to say thanks for your bringing us all along for the ride too! It is a unique experience to hear first-hand about your experiences, both frustrating (as in the process you've endured) and celebratory (as in your new daughter)

Jennifer WS - I am so excited for you!! I will not be telling my mother about your story, however, as it will renew her hope that somehow Mark Latham and I will get together again ; )
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2967
01-05-2004 04:51 PM ET (US)
Cindy, congratulations on your new family member. That is awesome that you brought her over her to be your daughter! I'm sure she'll be speaking English in no time :)

Jennifer, that is wonderful that Cliff contacted you after 20 years! Sounds to me like the love was never lost, just misplaced somewhere. Congratulations my little Hershey prom date ;)

May you all get more in 2004!!!

...of everything :)
Anacecilia  2966
01-05-2004 02:34 PM ET (US)
Cindy !Que increible! Santa did work overtime! You are my hero. Muchas felicidades. Paciencia, Paciencia, Paciencia and may God bless you ,Trent and the whole family.

Jennifer, How exciting, remember, good things come to those who wait! enjoy the romance and let us know what happens on Valentine's day!

Our new years was fun y muy rico. We spend it at the Dudleys. On new years day we had lunch with Mitch Sorsby and Fernando Fuentes and their families. Boy, did the day go by fast. It is so much fun catching up with friends, like if it was only yesterday. Both wives are great, like if we also had known each other forever, and the kids, they just played and played. (with no language barrier) I really enjoyed it!

A todos, feliz dia de Reyes.
Jennifer WSPerson was signed in when posted  2965
01-05-2004 08:58 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 01-05-2004 08:59 AM
Cindy - congratulations on the newest addition to your family. Persistance and patience has paid off in a big way for you! It sounds like you went through some tough situations, but its all worth it in the end to have Kristina in your life.

I have had some excitement in my life in the past week. After 20 years, a past boyfriend/fiance contacted me on Dec 30th and we have been talking and emailing daily since. Cliff Conrad was a marine at the American Embassy in Mexico City and was with me the summer of '82 when I broke my neck. We were engaged that winter, I went back to school in the Spring of 83, home for the summer and then he was trasferred to Austria. That was the last time that I saw him. We had made plans to spend Christmas '83 together, but I wrote him a long breakup letter that ended our relationship. We both moved on with our lives and have found that we both thought about each other regularly throughout the years. He was my first true love and now I am going to see him Feb 14th. Cliff is going to come visit me for a few days!!! He lives in Wyoming now after retiring from 24 yrs in the marine corps.

I've told him that I feel like I'm on one of those day-time talk shows that is reuniting lost loves! Its crazy, wild, and I'm really excited. I'll keep you all posted!

Hope that all of you had a wonderful holiday season and will have a safe and healthy 2004!
Cindy Petrinovic MillerPerson was signed in when posted  2964
01-04-2004 04:32 PM ET (US)
Happy New Year Everyone!
We added a new member to our family on December 26. Her name is Kristina and she is 5 and 1/2 years old. After a long 18 month battle with the Ukrainian bureaucracy, we were finally able to take this little girl out of the orphanage. As some may remember, we saw this little girl being abused at the orphange where we adopted our son, Breighton ( 18 months ago). It was a long emotionally draining trip, with less than 20 hours notice to leave over the holidays. We are greatful that the terrorists left us alone, and I was not interrogated by the KBG this time. Kristinas' transition outside of the orphanage has been tough for her. Although I do speak and understand some Russian, it is a challenge with a child. So we are tired (plus our house is STILL being remodeled and we have no kitchen) we are greatful to have our health, and to finally have this special little one home with us. I hope everyones holiday went well, and I apologize for the lack of Christmas cards...I appreciate those that were sent to us and it helped Trent and I as we choked down pickled herring and fried cabbage instead of roast beast for Christmas dinner!
Héctor Hernández  2963
12-25-2003 06:06 PM ET (US)
¡ Hola mis amigos del Colegio Americano ¡

Alejandra, los Alex (Loya, Serrano, Juárez, Mc Grath), Anaceci, Toño, Cindy, Craig, David, Dominic, Donna, Eduardo, Federico, Gabriel, George, Georgina, Hellen, Homero, Nacho, Jaime, Chucho, Olivo, Karen, Mike, Zamora, Ramón, Ricardo, Ronnie, Sammy, Thurston, Yolanda, Zarella

Les escribo para desearles que pasen una feliz navidad en compañía de todos sus seres queridos y que tengan un gran año 2004.

Ah, y claro, ¡¡¡que nos volvamos a ver pronto, como este año, para otra fiesta!!!
John Maroney  2962
12-24-2003 08:49 PM ET (US)
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all. Keep safe. Here in my neck of the Canadian woods it is snowing like crazy. My 5 year old son Barrett and I just put out carrots for Santa's reindeer on a snow drift. It really does not get any better than this. Feliz Navidad.
Alex Juarez  2961
12-24-2003 04:42 PM ET (US)
Class of 81: Felicidades a todos. Espero la pasen bien y que el 2004 se bueno para todos.
Anacecilia  2960
12-24-2003 01:41 PM ET (US)
Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukka, (aunque creo que ya acabo) y sobre todo... a 2004 full of HEALTH, wealth, love and liberty to have it all.

Elena, I feel the same way, did you count 23? No seran 13?

Its always great to read old friends acommplishments, makes me proud!

un abrazo a todos.
Elena Rohweder Turner  2959
12-24-2003 11:04 AM ET (US)
Merry Christmas all! Next year it will be 23 years since our graduation. A long time, yet I feel so close to all of you still. Un abrazote y que esten contentos y con buena salud en el ano nuevo.
Elena Rohweder Turner  2958
12-24-2003 11:02 AM ET (US)
If you guys want to check out what Carolyn Kurtz has been doing, go here: http://www.luminarte.com/
Barbara Estrada  2957
12-23-2003 08:26 PM ET (US)
Hi and Happy Holidays!

I love hearing from you, but I won't be able to read my e-mail until I come back on January 7.
Un abrazo!

Barbara Estrada '76
Alumni Affairs
The American School Foundation, A. C.
Mexico City, Mexico
Héctor Hernández  2956
12-23-2003 08:26 PM ET (US)
¡ Hola mis amigos del Colegio Americano ¡

Alejandra, los Alex (Loya, Serrano, Juárez, Mc Grath), Anaceci, Toño, Cindy, Craig, David, Dominic, Donna, Eduardo, Federico, Gabriel, George, Georgina, Hellen, Homero, Nacho, Jaime, Chucho, Olivo, Karen, Mike, Zamora, Ramón, Ricardo, Ronnie, Sammy, Thurston, Yolanda, Zarella

Les escribo para desearles que pasen una feliz navidad en compañía de todos sus seres queridos y que tengan un gran año 2004.

Ah, y claro, ¡¡¡que nos volvamos a ver pronto, como este año, para otra fiesta!!!
Mike Buhler  2955
12-18-2003 05:02 PM ET (US)
Just read through Neal Shusterman's web site. It made me think "Wow, one of AHSers actually accomplished something!". Pretty impressive.
Gabriela HebinPerson was signed in when posted  2954
12-18-2003 11:18 AM ET (US)
Hello Class of '81! Happy Holidays!!!

I wanted to let you know of the accomplishments of our class mate from 1980, Neal Shusterman. You all may remember him as the Skyline Nazi, the guy from the Art Room cracking the whip on all those middle-school kids, building us a New York Skyline up on the Smoking Lounge Ramp for the Arts Festival. He is still up to his creative deeds, this time on a grown-up scale. Here is some good news from Neal:

Hi, Everyone! I just wanted to let you all know that my Disney TV movie PIXEL PERFECT will be airing on the Disney Channel on Friday, January 16th! I wrote the script (it's an original script, not based on one of my novels).

They've been running non-stop promos for it on the Disney Channel, and I understand bus-stop posters went up this week!

Hope you can tune in – and please spread the word!

Thanks, and I hope you have a fantastic holiday!

Best regards,
Neal Shusterman
www.storyman.com (The Neal Shusterman Web Site)
Mike Buhler  2953
12-18-2003 10:36 AM ET (US)
Elena, I haven't thought of Carolyn in a long long time. I remember her being really sweet, and having the blondest/white hair I've ever seen. She was also one of the best women basketball players. Please say hello.

Ramon: good one!
Elena Rohweder Turner  2952
12-17-2003 10:45 AM ET (US)
Had lunch with Carolyn Kurtz yesterday. She is doing real well and has an interior design and lighting company. I've not seen any other AHS folks in a while, so I guess it might be time to pull together another mini-reunion. Thus if anyone has emails for classmates in Dallas/Ft. Worth, send them on to me at work: elena.turner@capitaloneauto.com
Ramon Ricoy  2951
12-16-2003 09:05 PM ET (US)
Do you know what happened this week back in 1850?
California became a state.
The state had no electricity.
The state had no money.
Almost everyone spoke Spanish.
There were gunfights in the middle of the streets.
So, it was just like California today.....only the women had real breasts.
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2950
12-16-2003 03:06 PM ET (US)
Cindy, but your husband now always says that he goes to bed with a pretty girl :)
Cindy Petrinovic MillerPerson was signed in when posted  2949
12-12-2003 03:30 PM ET (US)
Ramon:
You are hilarious! Your last one reminded me of one of my husbands sayings <"I never went to bed with an ugly girl, but I sure woke up with a few"> and that's what happens when you have too much beer!
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2948
12-11-2003 05:01 PM ET (US)
Damn! I've been targeted by this insidious scam before :)

http://www.babesagainstbush.com
Elena Rohweder Turner  2947
12-11-2003 10:35 AM ET (US)
Ramon: your joke made me laugh. Yes, you poor guys out there subject to the wiley ways of we wicked women.
Ramon Ricoy  2946
12-10-2003 12:08 AM ET (US)
No reaction to my last one so here goes nothing

Subject: Warning to all men
Police are warning all men who frequent clubs, pubs and other party-goers to
be alert and stay cautious when offered a drink by any woman.
A date rape drug on the market called "beer" is being used by many
females to target unsuspecting men. The drug is generally found in liquid
form
and is now available almost anywhere. It comes in bottles, cans, and in
large-quantity containers known as 'kegs.'
Beer is used by female sexual predators to persuade their male victims to
go home and have sex with them. Typically, a woman needs only to persuade a
guy to consume a few units of beer and then simply ask him home for
no-strings-attached sex.
Most men are rendered helpless against this approach. After several beers,
men will often succumb to desires to perform sex acts with horrific
looking women to whom they would never otherwise be attracted.
After drinking beer, men often awaken with only hazy memories of exactly
what happened to them the night before, but with a vague feeling that
something bad has occurred.
Other times these unfortunate men are swindled out of their life's
savings in a follow-up scam known as "a relationship." It has been reported
that, in extreme cases, the female may even be shrewd enough to entrap the
unsuspecting male into a longer-term form of servitude and punishment
referred to as "marriage."
Apparently, men are much more susceptible to this scam after beer is
administered and sex is offered by the predatory female.
PLEASE FORWARD THIS WARNING TO EVERY MALE THAT YOU KNOW. If you or
someone you know have fallen victim to this insidious "beer" and the
predatory
women administering it, there are male support groups with venues in many
towns where details of shocking encounters may be discussed in an open,
frank,
supportive manner with similarly affected men.
For the support group nearest you, refer to the "Golf Courses" Section
in your local yellow pages
Frank SlavcoPerson was signed in when posted  2945
12-09-2003 09:54 PM ET (US)
Alex Loya--Want to inform you of the upcoming FRONTLINE special on PBS-- "From Jesus to Christ: the First Christians." It's showing in my area on Thursday, Dec 11, at 8pm. Excellent program!!!
  
What are you doing these days?
Anacecilia  2944
12-07-2003 06:49 PM ET (US)
Hola todos, vamos a ir al bay area del 16 al 30 de diciembre. De hecho, el 17 y el 18 voy a estar en S.F.
Que tal un get together? Quien va a estar por ahi? mi mail, apvdlf@avantel.net

Saludos y espero que todos esten ya celebrando las fiestas.
Elena Rohweder Turner  2943
12-05-2003 03:37 PM ET (US)
You know, when I made the online donation, they immediately sent me an email reciept. Which was great, but I had to call to their attention that they included in the email my name, full credit card number and expiration... all that is needed for theft via an unsecure, unencrypted email.

I immediately heard back from the group's executive director and then their web master that they had not even considered this security breach and that they have now corrected it.
Mike Buhler  2942
12-04-2003 04:30 PM ET (US)
John, Thanks for your message and your payment.
Ramon Ricoy  2941
12-04-2003 12:22 AM ET (US)
It was 5°C yesterday in Mexico City so I remembered this little Footbal and weather message
How Cold Is It?
How cold does it have to be?

60 & above Arizonans wear coats, gloves and woolly hats. Wisconsin people sunbathe.

50 above New Yorkers try to turn on the heat. Wisconsin people plant gardens.

40 above Italian cars won't start. Wisconsin people drive with the windows down.

32 above Distilled water freezes. Lake Michigan's water gets thicker.

20 above Arizonans shiver uncontrollably. Wisconsin people have the last cookout before it gets cold.
 

15 above New York landlords finally turn on the heat. Wisconsin people throw on a sweatshirt.

0 - Californians fly away to Mexico. Wisconsin people lick a flagpole.

20 below People in Miami cease to exist. Wisconsin people get out their winter coats.

40 below Hollywood disintegrates. Wisconsin's Girl Scouts begin selling cookies door to door.

60 below Polar bears begin to evacuate Antarctica. Wisconsin's Boy Scouts postpone "Winter Survival" classes until it gets cold enough.

80 below Mt. St. Helen's freezes. Wisconsin people rent some videos.

100 below Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Wisconsin people get frustrated when they can't thaw the keg.

297 below Microbial life survives on dairy products. Wisconsin cows complain of farmers with cold hands.

460 below ALL atomic motion stops. Wisconsin people start saying "Cold 'nuff for ya?"

500 below Hell freezes over.

The Chicago Bears win the Super Bowl
John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2940
12-03-2003 11:28 PM ET (US)
Mike...donation made. Thanks for thinking of making the payment this way. Made the loss even that more worthwhile.
Mike Buhler  2939
12-03-2003 03:03 PM ET (US)
Elena, Thanks for your gift to NPH and for your posting; they made my day!
Elena Rohweder Turner  2938
12-03-2003 01:39 PM ET (US)
Que gran corazon you have Mike! I love it. Donation made to the Minnesota group (since that is my birth state). You turned the sorry loss into something that made my day.
John Maroney  2937
12-01-2003 11:21 AM ET (US)
Mike: Great idea about the donation to Mis Pequenos Hermanos. My fundraising posada is two weeks away and I think we will be able to raise a good sum of money for Father Wasson's orphanage. We are designating the funds to be used to buy school supplies and building materials. This is going to be great time. The newspaper and possibly a television station is covering the event so I will have something to post. It's snowing today. Brrrrr!!!
Mike Buhler  2936
12-01-2003 10:51 AM ET (US)
To my dear Cowboy fan friends; I am as surprised as you are! Didn't expect Dolphins to look as good as they did = but I'll gladly take it. I was amazed how prescient Dominic was including bets for first score and defensive score! Anyway, instead of sending me your checks, pls make a donation to the Nuestros Pequeños Hermanos orphanage at the following web site: http://www.nphinternational.org/nphamigos/en/help/donations.html.
The donation is even tax deductible and can be made via credit card. After all, it is the season to give thanks and share with those who need it most. God Bless!
Elena Rohweder Turner  2935
12-01-2003 10:29 AM ET (US)
Yes, I'm wearing black today in mourning over my Cowboys.
DOMINIC  2934
11-28-2003 01:57 PM ET (US)
So much for the 3 points and the #1 defense in the NFL.
Same here, send me the mail to adress, we really sucked!
John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2933
11-28-2003 12:10 AM ET (US)
Ouch! Apparently Miami kicked butt today...we're all eating crow <g>. Mike, let me know where to send the check to buddy...
John Maroney  2932
11-27-2003 12:03 PM ET (US)
Happy Thanksgiving a todos. In Canada we celebrate Thanksgiving in October and it is not nearly the event it is in the U.S. Go LIONS !!!!! Motor City Kitties.
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2931
11-26-2003 10:11 AM ET (US)
John, I've been through London several times on my way to Toronto. There used to be a Bendix brake plant there where my father would travel for work.
John Maroney  2930
11-25-2003 08:40 PM ET (US)
Dwight: I live in the hamlet of Wabash, Ontario. Population 100. It is near London, Ontario. It is an agricultural area.
Mike Buhler  2929
11-25-2003 06:46 PM ET (US)
Elena, Dominic and John: The betting line on the Dolphins/Cowboys game is 3 points (Cowboys favored). I personally think that it should be about 15, but then again Cowboys have troubles scoring touchdowns as do the fins.

To all, have a great thanksgiving and hopefully your list containing all those things for which you are grateful is so very long.
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2928
11-25-2003 02:35 PM ET (US)
John, yep Amelia, OH which is just east of Cincinnati. And, as a late response to your question, yes I was afraid that Michigan would spoil the Buckeyes chance of a repeat. Years ago I went to a Purdue-Michigan game in Ann Arbor and man what a packed house!

That's funny about the throwing cold candy thing :) We tell the float people to not throw the candy from the floats, but to instead walk along the parade route and pass it out.

So, what part of Canada are you living in? My Dad and I fish every year up on the French and Pickerel Rivers in Ontario about 45 miles south of Sudbury.
Class of '80  2927
11-24-2003 02:00 PM ET (US)
Because she has been such a frequent poster to the Class of 80
Quick Topic, and we've grown so fond of her, we're having a baby
pool for Marivi. Here's the scoop:

MARIVI'S BABY POOL:

OK, so Marivi has laid out PLENTY of clues.
For the sake of simplicity, this baby pool will focus solely on
birth weight. Marivi please don't tell anyone what weight the
sonograms predict each visit, OK?
 
Bets are $10. Winner of the pool gets half of all $ collected,
and the other half goes to buy a present for the little one.
Bets will be taken until Marivi goes into labor.

PAYMENT OPTIONS:
You can pay by PayPal to gabriela@spantechtranslations.com
(PLEASE use a bank transfer NOT A CREDIT CARD, otherwise PayPal
will consider me a commercial client and start charging me big
bucks for every transfer)

OR you can pay by BidPay.com to gabrielah@earthlink.net

OR you can snail mail me some cash, checks or tequila (always a
negotiable commodity) to:

Gabriela Hebin
PO Box 123
Indian Rocks Beach
FL 33785

Anybody who posts to other boards, PLEASE spread the news to
them too, the more the merrier!

Ready, Set, GO!
DOMINIC  2926
11-24-2003 12:05 PM ET (US)
Mike: Looks like John, Elena and myself will have a little dolphin apetizer after the Cowboys carve up your Dolphins!

John M. Why wait till thursday, ask Barret who will win. If he can tell you by how much and get it right you won't have to worry about frozen missile candy, you will be living in Vegas and Barret will be working for Ceasars Palace.

Everyone: I was at Angus' future school checking the campus out during their winter festival last saturday when I heard someone say my name. It was David Laird with his wife, two kids and Mrs. Laird with her husband. Needless to say, it was a great to see David and his mom. Looks like Angus and David's son Christian will be going to the same school. Mrs. Laird comment "pobres maestras"
Elena Rohweder Turner  2925
11-24-2003 11:42 AM ET (US)
I'm in. All I know is that I want Mike to pay up when the Cowboys win. All this other betting stuff has me confused. I trust y'all will let me know. Am I correct in thinking I'm essentially putting in a total of $15? (note to all, I always hated numbers - words and pictures are SO much more my deal)
Mike Buhler  2924
11-24-2003 09:13 AM ET (US)
John B., you're on! Given the dolphin's two recent performances, that betting line is going to be fat! I'm praying for snow!
John Maroney  2923
11-23-2003 07:20 PM ET (US)
Dominic: My son Barrett was right. Ganaron los vaqueros. Next time you want a sure bet please feel free to ask my son.
John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2922
11-21-2003 11:43 PM ET (US)
Sounds good. I'm in too for $10 playing the line. I'll let Dominic and Mike play the first score, etc.

Elena, are you in?
John Maroney  2921
11-21-2003 06:22 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 11-21-2003 06:23 PM
Dwight: Amelia Ohio? Do you think the Wolverines will spoil any chance the Buckeyes have for a repeat National Championship? It is hard to say who will prevail. A student of mine has season tickets at Ann Arbor and will be in attendance. I am jealous. Tailgateing at the Big House. Crisp cool air, marching bands, grilled dogs and burgers. This is the true America. Actually, Canada is very much like small town America, minus the handguns. You wrote about Christmas Parades. We have one here as well.Last year we had a night time Santa Claus parade in sub-arctic temperatures. Santa Claus nearly died of exposure. I froze. Santa's lttle helpers were throwing bags of hard candy from the Sleigh ( a converted 18 wheeler). At these extreme temperatures the little bags became missles. Many a wee lads were injured. It was surreal. So as you can see it matters not where one lives.People just want to have fun
Mike Buhler  2920
11-21-2003 04:29 PM ET (US)
Dominic, I like it! $3 for first score and $2 for defensive score. I'll post the betting line.
DOMINIC  2919
11-21-2003 12:37 PM ET (US)
John Bauer:
No amigo! let's play the line, you will find out it's more fun!! Basically, if the line is in favor of one team (say 3 1/2 points) the other must win by 4. It really makes it interesting.

Mike: I am in at $ 10.00 with whatever the line is. Only thing is the line must be posted on this site 24 hrs before kickoff (you do it?). Do you want to bet an extra $ 3.00 to see who scores 1st? How about an aditional $2.00 (total of $5) if any defense scores 1st? GO COWBOYS!
John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2918
11-20-2003 07:38 PM ET (US)
I'm not sure what a betting line is. I'm cool with just who wins and who looses...care to adjust to accomodate?
Mike Buhler  2917
11-20-2003 03:56 PM ET (US)
Looks like them cowboys are 1-1 against the AFC East and had a tough time against New England's defense; which is by no means as good as Miami's.
Mike Buhler  2916
11-20-2003 03:48 PM ET (US)
WHOAAA! You miss a few days on this web site and everyone's been betting against the dolphins. OK, I will accept the following bets:

I bet $10 per person betting that the Dolphins win or lose by less than the betting line as quoted in the Miami Herald on the day prior the game. My maximum limit is $50 in total, so about $10 for each of Elena, Dominic, John and two more people out there. Payment is expected by mail!

Just remember, last time the teams played on Thanksgiving Miami won it in the snow as some lineman jumped on a blocked field goal and lost possession, allowing the fins to kick it again! I'm feeling lucky!!!!
Elena Rohweder Turner  2915
11-20-2003 11:13 AM ET (US)
Does anyone out there remember the year the cheerleaders rented a dump truck and we went caroling in Las Lomas in it? David McDonald and his boys were in a Jeep and began throwing eggs at us. We stopped at a tiendita and bought all the eggs they had. So then an egg war ensued, with eggs flying between the truck and the Jeep as we raced around Lomas. Cindy Petrinovic got a cut on her eye from an egg shell. Once we were all slimy, we stopped at Tom Fitzpatrick's house and his VERY cool mom let us all clean up there and gave us hot cocoa. She deserves sainthood for that! Any one know anything about where Tom F is these days, or what happened to him after AHS?
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2914
11-19-2003 06:48 PM ET (US)
John, unfortunately I only spent two years in Mexico City and never did get to enjoy a posada party. My sister would fly down during Christmas and we would celebrate our family Christmas as we did in the states. I understand Christmas is a very special holiday for Mexicans, maybe even more so than some very devout Christians I know in the US. One thing I do miss around Christmas time in Mexico City was the Noche Buena. Man that was some kick ass dark beer!

Domonic, thanks for the explanation of Las Posadas. Sounds kinda like how we used to do Christmas carols from door to door in my old neighborhood in Amherst, OH when I was a kid. Always were nice warm things to drink and eat after a cold night out caroling :)

While we're on the Christmas topic I'll fill you in on some Christmas traditions that go on in our small village. Every year for the past 18 years we've put on a huge Christmas parade through the downtown of Amelia, OH. We block off State Route 125 which is a major 4 lane route and have all kinds of stuff like Santas riding Harleys (I know it's rednecky), horseback riders, high school bands, church groups, fire and police vehicles, antique cars, etc. We have judges who judge the floats and pass out trophies. Well, this year we had to raise some money to cover the cost of the parade and ornaments and last week we had a dinner/dance fundraiser and raised $1100. The reason we needed to do that is one, it's becoming politically incorrect to spend taxpayer money on Christmas events (or any other religious thing) and two the guys that help put up the village ornaments on the telephone poles aren't licensed electricians and the lawyers say we can't pay them out of village funds. The Saturday after Thanksgiving I will be helping these rural guys put up the village Christmas wreaths and ornaments. Man, getting up in a bucket truck while traffic is below you is a trip! We block traffic as we need to and sometimes it gets dangerous with all the crazy drivers and high voltage power lines. Our Christmas parade is always the first or second Sunday in December and we decorate the village float on a flatbed semi-trailer the weekend before. It's a lot of work because Santa's Shop, the sleigh and reindeer have to be hauled out and put in place along with all the decorations. During the parade we pass out candy to the zillions of kids lining the streets. After it's over we meet at a local bank for hot chili and hot apple cider. One year the wind chill was well below zero but we still had the parade :)
DOMINIC  2913
11-19-2003 06:01 PM ET (US)
John: Thanks to Jr. for the tip, I'm going to double up.
John Maroney  2912
11-19-2003 05:57 PM ET (US)
Dominic: Thanks for the tips. In regard to the football game my son Barrett has assured me that the Cowboys will prevail.
DOMINIC  2911
11-19-2003 04:49 PM ET (US)
John: 1st and foremost you need cañas, tecojotes and a bottle of either brandy or tequila para el ponche navideño.

If you want to this right,you will need a Nacimeinto on some type of wooden base to be carried by (usually kids) and all of the adults walking behind towards a door were you will sing the posada. You need a few people inside the door and a bunch outside singing the verses( I have the verses, i will send them to you) during the verses everyone should have little candles and saprklers for the kids. Once they open the door and they come in you should only have tamales and atole or chocolate caliente( don't get more stuff unless you are prepared for a major job) Everyone getS to eat and hang out for a while and them its time for the piñatas. After the piñatas you should pass little gift bags with colacion(mexican candy).
(The children must be sent home and the adults should start to drink heavily and worry about how they can't afford x-mas y santos reyes gifts for their kids on a $ 20 dollar a week salary, that would make it real!just kidding)
Seriously: You might want to get 3 guys to dress as the Santos Reyes and have a background for picutres, you could change $$ for the pictures and raise good money for the Curnavaca kids.

One last thing, could you ask little John about this weekend Cowboys -vs- Panthers game, I got $ 50 bucks on it.
John Maroney  2910
11-19-2003 03:01 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 11-19-2003 03:04 PM
I really think Miami will lose as long as they have Griese as quarterback. He was good as a Wolverine but that is about it. The expectations are high because of his father.
Loya: Donde andas? I hope you are states side and not over in harms way.
Does anybody still celebrate Posadas? There is a small hispanic community where I live. They unfortunately do not get together socially. Stems from a refugee mentality where the outside is viewed with suspicion. This year I have decided to change this. I am getting my Spanish students together for a traditional posada. We extended an invitation to all who speak spanish and the response has been tremendous. It is going to be huge. It is the first of its kind ever in this area. We are taking up a free will offering which will be sent to Mis Pequenos Hermanos orphanage in Cuernavaca. Since it has been awhile since I have done this I need expert advice. What are the traditional posada goodies. Tamales, pozole, y que mas? I would appreciate any input. Muchas gracias.
P.S. For those who do not know I live in the middle of nowhere in Canada.
Elena Rohweder Turner  2909
11-19-2003 01:33 PM ET (US)
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Elena Rohweder Turner  2908
11-19-2003 01:31 PM ET (US)
Well now that John's son has sealed Miami's fate, it's not much of a bet, is it?

But let's see: there are three of us saying Mike's Dolphins will lose, Mike has been very silent since this whole talk of a bet began, if Dolphins do indeed lose, then Mike has to pay up to three of us...

I vote he has to stir us up a nice pitcher of premium margaritas next time anyone of us is in Miami. How's that Mike?
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2907
11-19-2003 09:39 AM ET (US)
How do you know when it's time to go to bed at Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch?

When the big hand is on the little hand.
John Maroney  2906
11-18-2003 11:20 AM ET (US)
My son said not to bet on the Dolphins.
DOMINIC  2905
11-18-2003 10:42 AM ET (US)
Elena: You got me thinking, what do you think a good bet would be?
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2904
11-17-2003 04:11 PM ET (US)
John, that is a trip! Your son maybe clairvoyant.

Mike's Dolphins beat the Ravens to put my Bungles first in the AFC North :) Who-DEY!

Man, slappin' the Chiefs around yesterday in the Jungle was SWEET!
John Maroney  2903
11-17-2003 12:59 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 11-17-2003 01:01 PM
Los pronosticos. Last year our son Barrett casually announced that Ohio State would be National Champions. Later on he announced that the Devils would take the Stanley Cup. While watching the World Series he rooted for the Marlins. Last night he announced that the Seattle Seahawks would win the superbowl. Incidentally, his team last year were the Bucks. He has yet to explain his secret to me.He is 5 years old.
Elena Rohweder Turner  2902
11-17-2003 11:51 AM ET (US)
I think there are 3 of us wagering against Mike's Dolphis so I am not sure how tequila or a sweatshirt will work. Then again, I am a girl and not fully versed in the art of sports wagering...
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2901
11-14-2003 12:35 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 11-14-2003 12:35 PM
Dominic, thanks for the great time Tuesday night! It was really cool hooking up with you after all these years. We'll have to hook up again in the not too distant future. I promise my liver will be in better shape the next time :)

Hey everybody, like the true AHS amigo he is, Dominic brought me a bottle of quality tequila reposado 100% agave from his last trip to Mexico. I LOVE YOU MAN!
DOMINIC  2900
11-13-2003 05:40 PM ET (US)
MIKE:
I THINK A GOOD BUTT WHIPPING FOR THANKSGIVING IS IN ORDER FOR YOUR DOLPHINS. IM PLANNING TO BE AT THE GAME SO A LITTLE WAGER WOULD MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING.
USUALLY, A BOTTLE OF TEQUILA 100% AGAVE WOULD MAKE IT A FRIENDLY WAGER, BUT SINCE I THINK YOU DON'T DRINK, HOW ABOUT A SWEATSHIRT FROM NFL.COM?
BY THE WAY, YOUR MIAMI DOLPHINS STINKED LAST SUNDAY AGAINST DA TITANS!
Elena Rohweder Turner  2899
11-10-2003 03:27 PM ET (US)
Mike: Cowboys won. It might of been ugly, but it was victorious. Only one game lost, to Tampa. So you are on for a wager. Like John asked, what is friendly these days?

Craig and I are going to a cat house for Thanksgiving again. Yes, our favorite Birman cat breeder
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2898
11-10-2003 09:22 AM ET (US)
Tomorrow Dominic and I will be hooking up in Cinci town for some long awaited chupapachanga! Invest in local beer stocks now before prices go up and stocks are depleted.

Also had the pleasure of hooking up with John Hendrix and his wife two weeks ago in DC. We had a sweet and short reunion but managed to get in a lot of catching up on life and reminiscing about the good ole' AHS times :)
Alex Juarez  2897
11-09-2003 09:43 PM ET (US)
Hector, Canta y no lloares por tus Aquiluchas!

Ricardo, Felicidades por tu bebita! Como se llama?
Héctor  2896
11-08-2003 05:59 PM ET (US)
¡¡¡Hola a todos!!!

¿Como están?, espero que bien. Para aquellos no recibieron mi nuevo email aquí se los dejo: hectorrobertohpm@yahoo.com

Quiero saber si recibieron las fotos de la fiesta. Avisenme.

Dominic: ¿Que cuentas, como vas, cambiando pañales? De tus albañiles mejor ni hablar.

Alex: AHí la llevan tus gatitos.

Alex Mc Grath: ¿Haz hablado con Nacho?

Georgina: Ya no me llamaste cuando veniste.

Loya: La siguiente, no puedes faltar.

¿Supieron que nació la hija de Ricardo Ortega?

Les mando un saludo a todos, y estamos en contacto.
John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2895
11-07-2003 05:20 PM ET (US)
Hey Mike, I'll bite, but all depends on what you mean by "friendly" <g>.
Mike Buhler  2894
11-07-2003 02:33 PM ET (US)
Elena, Guess them cowboys lost then? Still, you don't know ugly until you see the Dolphins squander a great defense with their ugly offense.

I'm spending Thanksgiving at my in-laws, playing with the kids and watching the Dolphins beat the Cowboys (anyone up for a friendly wager?)
Elena Rohweder Turner  2893
11-07-2003 11:23 AM ET (US)
It has been quiet, hasn't it John.

I listened to Victor Villalba and Arce announce part of last Sunday's (ugly) Cowboys vs Redskins game. They do a great job.

Anyone doing anything fun for Thanksgiving?
John Maroney  2892
11-06-2003 10:31 AM ET (US)
I tried shocking my computer in an attempt to resuscitate this chatpage. My deepest regrets.
Anacecilia  2891
10-25-2003 06:18 PM ET (US)
Hola todos. Hey, if you are planning to travel this holiday season, y son de los que todo hacen por internet, check out my web page:
http://anaceciliapv.mytravelweb.net or http://anaceciliapv.miagenciavirtual.com
Tiene muchas ofertas y super buenos precios. Ademas, me daria mucho gusto oir sus opiniones al respecto.

Saludos,
Felicia  2890
10-23-2003 01:51 PM ET (US)
More Posada information:

Please send the following information with your check:

Number of tickets being purchased @ $40.00 each
Name and graduating class year
Guest or spouse name
Mailing address
Felicia  2889
10-23-2003 01:39 PM ET (US)
American School Alumni Association
Florida Chapter

As Promised, WE ARE BACK and
Prepared to Invite you Once More


When was the last Posada you attended?
10? 20? 30? 40? + Years?

Join us in reminiscing and singing La Posada and reliving the plight of Los Peregrinos as they journeyed in search of lodging for the night.

Join us in breaking La Piñata
 
Prepare to Enjoy Once More the Taste of Authentic
Mexican GUISADOS

FREE BEER!


BYOB if you prefer
Soft Drinks Will be Available

Dancing to Old-Time Familiar Records

Sing-along to your old-time favorite songs with the Mariachi!

GRAN POSADA MEXICANA!

POSADA FEE = $40.00 PER PERSON

Date: DECEMBER 6, 2003
Time: 6:30 PM

At the home of DIANE LUNA ’67
The Redlands
22600 S. W. 180th Court
Miami Fl. 33170

Important Numbers:
Diane Luna phone (305) 242-1177
Cell Diane Luna (305) 336-9676
Cell Mariana Carmona (305) 742-8276Cell
Bill Solms (786) 859-9551

To buy tickets: DEADLINE = NOVEMBER 15

Write check in the name of: Bill Solms

THEN, mail your check to:
Mariana Carmona
13224 S. W. 108 St. Circle
Miami, Fl. 33186

(305) 385-8603

Tickets in the mail from Mariana Carmona.

Hotel Suggestions:

Marriott Dadeland – (305) 670-1035
Radisson Kendall – (305) 598-2593
Quality Inn South – (305) 251-2000
Ramada Limited (305) 595-6000
Redland Inn (in Homestead) (305) 246-1904
DOMINIC  2888
10-20-2003 12:26 PM ET (US)
math joke:
Eran una vez dos matemáticos chinos que andaban de viaje por N.Y.; esa noche decidieron ir a un table dance y deleitar sus diminutos ojos con la belleza de la mujer de occidente.
Siendo economistas y para no pagar la entrada en vano, acordaron que solo uno de ellos iba a entrar y si estaba bien el ambiente, avisaría al otro por medio del mesero.
Cuando entra el chinito, se maravillo con el lugar, no solo utilizó la vista, sino que aparte de la barra libre, había libertad de "meter las manos en la masa".
>
Después de una hora, finalmente le mandó al amigo una nota con el mesero que decía:
> 61, 31, 41, / + 31 + 41, 20, 20, 20
>
> Cuando el chinito vio esto entró corriendo al lugar. El mesero se había quedado sorprendido de que solo con números hubiera entendido y fue a preguntarle a los chinitos que significaban, a lo que respondieron:
>
> "Ah! Mul sencillo"
> Se senta uno, tenta uno, calenta uno, entle mas tenta uno, mas calenta uno... vente, vente, vente.
John Maroney  2887
10-17-2003 03:42 PM ET (US)
I heard this joke at church.
 Three friends die in a car crash and find themselves before St. Peter.
St. Peter says to the first man " Daniel, what would you like to hear being said about you around your casket?"
Daniel replies, " Oh, I would like someone to say that I was a good man and faithful husband".
St. Peter says to the second man " Robert, what would you like to hear being said about you around your casket".
Robert replies, " Hmm, I would like to hear someone say that I was an excellent teacher who made a difference in the world".
St. Peter says to the third man " James, what would you like to hear being said about you around your casket".
James replies, " Oh, I would like to hear someone say Look, he's moving".
Alex Juarez  2886
10-17-2003 11:20 AM ET (US)
Hello everyone, I was just reading a press release where it stated that Jorge Daboub had just been named VP of Business Development for Univision in LA. Do you guys remember Jorge?

Happy B-Day Morna
Mike Buhler  2885
10-17-2003 09:15 AM ET (US)
Morna, Welcome back and Happy Birthday.

Thought you would all enjoy this joke:
Restaurante "La Rima..."
Estaban unos compadres del campo de visita en la ciudad. De repente les empezó a dar hambre, ya que eran aproximadamente las tres de la tarde; así que comenzaron a buscar un restaurante en donde comer. Entonces, encontraron un lugar llamado: "Pida con Poesía y se les atenderá con Cortesía". Los compadres decidieron entrar al lugar y comer ahí. Se sentaron en una mesa y comenzaron a hablarle a los meseros, pero éstos no les hacían caso. Pasó un mesero a su lado y los compadres decían:
- Mesero, mesero...
Y no les hacía caso. Pasó otro mesero y los compadres:
- ¡¡Mesero, mesero...!!
Y ellos sin obtener respuesta alguna. Los compadres, ya furiosos al sentirse desplazados por ser del campo, y a punto de abandonar el lugar cuando de pronto entran al Restaurante un señor ya grande con una jovencita y se sientan en una mesa junto a los compadres. El señor alza la mano y grita:
 ¡¡¡Lero, Lero... señor mesero...!!!
El mesero llega:
- A sus órdenes ilustre caballero... aquí está su mesero... que los atiende con esmero...
El señor le dice:
- Para mi sobrina... cuyo nombre es Josefina... traiga un caldo de gallina... y para mí, que me llamo José... traiga una taza de café...
El mesero apunta la orden y se retira. Los compadres asombrados, entienden de qué se trata el asunto, y después de un momento de ponerse de acuerdo, deciden poner en práctica lo escuchado.
- Lero, lero... ¡¡¡mesero culero...!!!
El mesero se acerca encabronado...
- Quién va a ordenar primero... pinche ranchero...
- Para mi compadre, una carne asada... hijo de la chingada... y para mí, unos huevos con jamón... ¡¡¡regrandísimo cabrón...!!!
- ¿¿¿Con ensalada... hijos de la chingada...???
- Sí, pero sin vinagre... ¡¡¡hijo de tu puta madre...!!!
DOMINIC  2884
10-13-2003 12:30 PM ET (US)
Morna: Feliz cumpleaños!!!
Anacecilia  2883
10-12-2003 09:05 PM ET (US)
Happy birthday Morna! Welcome to the club!
Elena Rohweder Turner  2882
10-09-2003 01:14 PM ET (US)
Ramon: I was crying from laughing so hard at the Austrailan Tourism piece. Thanks for sharing it.

Cindy; May I recommend you forgo the additional ingredients and just stick to straight tequilla for Disney?
Ramon Ricoy  2881
10-09-2003 12:06 AM ET (US)
Foa a change in pace & continent.

Australian Tourism
>
>These questions about Australia were posted on an Australian Tourism Website
>and obviously the answers came from a fellow Aussie.
>
>Q: I have never seen it rain on Australian TV shows, so how do the plants
>grow? (UK)
>A: We import all plants fully grown and then just sit around watching them
>die.
>
>Q: Will I be able to see kangaroos in the street? (USA)
>A: Depends how much you've been drinking
>
>Q: I want to walk from Perth to Sydney - can I follow the railroad tracks?
>(Sweden)
>A: Sure, it's only three thousand miles, take lots of water...
>
>Q: Is it safe to run around in the bushes in Australia? (Sweden)
>A: So its true what they say about Swedes.
>
>Q: It is imperative that I find the names and addresses of places to contact
>for a stuffed porpoise. (Italy)
>A: Let's not touch this one.
>
>Q: Are there any ATMs (cash machines) in Australia? Can you send me a list
>of them in Brisbane, Cairns, Townsville and Hervey Bay? (UK)
>A: What did your last slave die of?
>
>Q: Can you give me some information about hippo racing in Australia?(USA)
>A: A-fri-ca is the big triangle shaped continent south of Europe.
>Aus-tra-lia is that big island in the middle of the pacific which does
>not... oh forget it. Sure, the hippo racing is every Tuesday night in Kings
>Cross. Come naked.
>
>Q: Which direction is North in Australia? (USA)
>A: Face south and then turn 90 degrees. Contact us when you get here and
>we'll send the rest of the directions.
>
>Q: Can I bring cutlery into Australia? (UK)
>A: Why? Just use your fingers like we do.
>
>Q: Can you send me the Vienna Boys' Choir schedule? (USA)
>A: Aus-tri-a is that quaint little country bordering Ger-man-y, which
>is...oh forget it. Sure, the Vienna BoysChoir plays every Tuesday night in
>Kings Cross, straight after the hippo races. Come naked.
>
>Q: Do you have perfume in Australia? (France)
>A: No, WE don't stink.
>
>Q: I have developed a new product that is the fountain of youth. Can you
>tell me where I can sell it in Australia (USA)
>A: Anywhere significant numbers of Americans gather.
>
>Q: Can I wear high heels in Australia? (UK)
>A: You are a British politician, right?
>
>Q: Can you tell me the regions in Tasmania where the female population is
>smaller than the male population? (Italy)
>A: Yes, gay nightclubs.
>
>Q: Do you celebrate Christmas in Australia? (France)
>A: Only at Christmas.
>
>Q: Are there killer bees in Australia? (Germany)
>A: Not yet, but for you, we'll import them.
>
>Q: Are there supermarkets in Sydney and is milk available all year round?
>(Germany)
>A: No, we are a peaceful civilisation of vegan hunter gatherers. Milk is
>illegal.
>
>Q: Please send a list of all doctors in Australia who can dispense
>rattlesnake serum. (USA)
>A: Rattlesnakes live in A-meri-ca which is where YOU come from. All
>Australian snakes are perfectly harmless, can be safely handled and make
>good pets.
>
>Q: I have a question about a famous animal in Australia, but I forget its
>name. It's a kind of bear and lives in trees. (USA)
>A: It's called a Drop Bear. They are so called because they drop out of gum
>trees and eat the brains of anyone walking underneath them. You can scare
>them off by spraying yourself with human urine before you go out walking.
>
>Q: I was in Australia in 1969 on R+R, and I want to contact the girl I dated
>while I was staying in Kings Cross. Can you help? (USA)
>A: Yes, and you will still have to pay her by the hour.
>
>Q: Will I be able to speek English most places I go? (USA)
>A: Yes, but you'll have to learn it first.
Cindy Petrinovic Miller  2880
10-08-2003 12:45 PM ET (US)
Ramon, I died laughing. Somehow, the offensive jokes are still the funniest.
Trent and I are off to Disneyland for a few days with our 2 and 3 year old. Yes, I know many of you are envious of that, however, I am trying to figure out how I can sneak a margarita into Toon Town--I am sure Trent and I are both going to need it!
Ramon Ricoy  2879
10-07-2003 11:59 PM ET (US)
HI everybody does anyone have David Rae's email?
Three kids are in school..
A Mexican, a White, and a Black..
The Teacher tells them to make a sentence with liver and cheese.
White kid says: "My Mom made me a liver and cheese sandwich and it
was sooo good."
Black kid says: "My daddy told my momma to go get the Government
cheese and she didn't, so my daddy punched her in the liver."
Mexican kid says: "Some kids were trying to look under my sister
dress so I told the Cabrones, "Hey!!! Liver alone. Cheese my sister !!!"
Elena Rohweder Turner  2878
10-07-2003 06:26 PM ET (US)
My mother found this poem that I found ideal for some of my single girlfriends.

Las mujeres somos como manzanas en los árboles...
Las mejores están en la copa del árbol.
Los hombres no quieren alcanzar las mejores, porque tienen miedo de caer y herirse.
En cambio, toman las manzanas podridas que han caído a tierra y que aunque no son tan buenas, son fáciles de alcanzar.
Así que las manzanas que están en la copa del árbol, piensan para si, que algo esta mal con ellas, cuando en realidad, "Ellas son grandiosas".
Simplemente tienen que ser pacientes y esperar a que el hombre correcto llegue, aquel que sea lo suficientemente valiente para trepar hasta la cima del árbol por ellas.
No nos caigamos para ser alcanzadas, quien nos necesite y quiera hará TODO para alcanzarnos....
Anacecilia  2877
10-03-2003 06:35 PM ET (US)
A good laugh, (sin ofender a nadie).

One day, three men were hiking and unexpectedly came upon a large raging, violent river. They needed to get to the other side, but had no idea of how to do so. The first man prayed to God, saying, "Please, God, give me the strength to cross this river." Poof! God gave him big arms and strong legs, and he was able to swim across the river in about two hours, after almost drowning a couple of times.

Seeing this, the second man prayed to God, saying, "Please God, give me the strength and the tools to cross this river." Poof! God gave him a rowboat and he was able to row across the river in about an hour, after almost capsizing the boat a couple of times. The third man had seen how this worked out for the other two, so he also prayed to God saying, "Please God, give me the strength and the tools and the intelligence to cross this river." And poof! God turned him into a woman. She looked at the map, hiked upstream a couple of hundred yards, and then walked across the bridge.


saludos.
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2876
09-26-2003 04:28 PM ET (US)
Chupominic, dude you're ATE UP! (or drank up :)

Have fun at Vegas and say high to those naked cocktail waitresses for me. There's just something about Vegas that makes it special and I'm trying to put my finger on it. Oh, yea, it's the alcohol, naked women, and gambling :)
DOMINIC  2875
09-26-2003 12:27 PM ET (US)
Loya & Marony:
Ok guys, Im off to Vegas with Coach Wendler who is actually the head coah of the "Vegas BigUns".A team from the NCWFL "naked cocktail waitress footbal league".
I hear they are in the playoffs and ready to tackle the "drinking nuns" Should be a HELL of a game.
Alex Loya  2874
09-25-2003 10:24 PM ET (US)
Dominic: I don't know about that, my friend...poor coach Wendler is probably living under the railroad tracks in a cardboard box unable to let go of "el chupe" ever since you got a hold of him! He probably hasn't shaved since! Poor coach Wendler!

John: No offense taken, my friend.
John Maroney  2873
09-24-2003 03:31 PM ET (US)
Dominic: Las vegas? Hmmm. Too far and too exotic. Keep in mind that I practically live in an igloo up here so my social skills are found wanting.
Alex Loya: I really did not mean anything by my comments. Mis disculpas.
DOMINIC  2872
09-24-2003 12:35 PM ET (US)
Loya:
There you go again! always talking about "El Chupe"
How about we get together with John Maroney and we just binge drink in Vegas for 3-4 days? That way you guys can get it out of your system.
Alex Loya  2871
09-23-2003 08:41 PM ET (US)
John: Excessive pontification! Man, talk about taking things too seriously! I would say you have just judged me pretty severly for a lite comment! Go ahead, continue con el chupe....
John Maroney  2870
09-19-2003 07:36 PM ET (US)
Alex Loya: As someone who no longer drinks the one thing I do not do is pass judgement on those who do. Excessive pontification is somewhat annoying. I know you are well intended but there is a place and time for everything.
Dominic: The problem with us fresas is that we have never forgotten just how delicious cold Victorias taste, especially late at night wolfing down a huge order of tacos al pastor at El Mero Mero. Somos una bola de celosos.
DOMINIC  2869
09-18-2003 01:11 PM ET (US)
Thanks everyone for the congrats, Annabelle is doing just fine.
Loya: Always pre-ocupied with alcohol. I see no relation between drinking and raising a daughter. Might you have a non-drinking problem?

McGrath: No te preocupes mi amigo, estoy planeando vivir muchos años mas y ya contrate un chofer.

Dwight: I am glad I won't have to deal with that for at least 12 years, but when I do, I plan to be my daughter's best friend and have Angus as a paid spy.

Que nunca falte una excusa para chocar los cristales!
Elena Rohweder Turner  2868
09-18-2003 11:44 AM ET (US)
A professor stood before her Philosophy 101 class and had some items in front of her. When the class began, wordlessly, she picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. She then
asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was.
So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. She shook the jar lightly. The pebbles, of course, rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. She then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was.

The professor picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else. She then asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with a unanimous - - yes.

The professor then produced two cans of liquid chocolate from under the table and proceeded to pour the entire ! contents into the jar effectively
filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed.

"Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf balls are the important things - - your family, your spouse, your health, your children, your friends, your favorite passions - - things that if everything else
was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full."

"The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, your car."

"The sand is everything else - - the small stuff." "If you put the sand into the jar first," she continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the golf
balls. The same goes for your life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will never have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness.

Play with your children and grandchildren. Take time ! to get medical checkups. Take your partner out dancing. Take riding lessons. There will always be time to go to work, clean the house, give a dinner party and fix the disposal."

"Take care of the golf balls first - - the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand."

"One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the chocolate represented.

The professor smiled. "I'm glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for chocolate!"
Alex McGrath  2867
09-17-2003 07:45 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 09-17-2003 07:46 PM
Dwight, when I said "I'm 40 today" all I was doing was following the little joke you had just posted: >>Hey, by the way, I'm 39 today :) When I say that lately everyone wishes me a happy birthday and I tell them it's not my birthday today :)<< But thanks for the felicitaciones everybody.

Never expected anybody would actually believe it. Actually mine was exactly one month before yours, so show respect for your elders please :)

Dominic, our favorite designated driver, felicidades papacito!! Surely you'll take good care of little Annabelle. And take good care of yourself, she's going to need you for a long time, my man!
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2866
09-17-2003 03:29 PM ET (US)
Sorry this is late, but Happy B-day Mike B. and Alex M :)

And Dominic, a big ole shot of tequila and un mil congrats for your new addition to the family. Just think, in just little over a decade you'll be dealing with a little lady and you'll have to start worrying about all those boys that start hanging around your place! I know, I have a 14 and an 11 year old guerritas and am hopelessly outnumbered 3-1 in the gender defense department :)
s  2865
09-16-2003 09:29 AM ET (US)
HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS !!!!!!!!!
Ramon Ricoy  2864
09-13-2003 11:12 AM ET (US)
A FUNNY GAME.

Those mexican are very funny people, they play a nice game called "shinga
t'mathre". The game consists in some people sitting around a table, and
everyone has a board with pictures stamped on it, and a bunch of beans on
the left side; a man tells what picture appears from a deck of cards, that
way he says:

"il negrrito" and everybody puts a bean on "il negrrito"; "el botellow" and
everybody puts a bean on "el botellow"; "lo escalerow" again a bean on "lo
escalerow" picture, then one of those say "louteria!" and eeeeverybody
screams: "shinga t'mathre!"
Ramon Ricoy  2863
09-12-2003 11:35 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 09-12-2003 11:36 AM
Elena and Mike: I am so glad you liked it, with my best simpathies. What a disapointment I thought I was the older desirable man.
Elena Rohweder Turner  2862
09-11-2003 11:03 AM ET (US)
Mike: are you sure you flunked kinder? I think you just wanted to hang back so all the chiquitas would see you as the desirable "older" man.

Ramon: Loved the poem. Printed it up so I could keep it and sent it to my family.
Mike Buhler  2861
09-10-2003 05:10 PM ET (US)
Ramon, what a great reading/poem. How true it is and how comforting.

thanks to all for your birthday wishes. Seeing that I flunked kindergarden, this was my 41st!

too bad the vaqueros played as poorly against los halcones as los delfines who got wopped by los tejanos!
Alex Loya  2860
09-09-2003 05:11 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 09-09-2003 05:18 PM
Dominic! Felicidades! Will this baby have a conservatizing effect on you, or will you continue con el chupe? We'll see...

My new baby girl, Carissa Ruth, is now like about 3 months old and she is absolutely truly a beautiful baby! She is still really small, she is like a litttle itty bitty doll and I love to pick her up like the monkey picked up the lion king cub. When I do this she actually communicates back and forth cooing! And then she smiles at me with a big open smile! I love being a daddy!

Mike, happy birthday! May you live 40 more!

Hey, my friends, it's water off a duck's back! I was just telling, like Paul Harvey, "the rest of the story".
Ramon Ricoy  2859
09-09-2003 12:57 PM ET (US)
Hi everybody, for all of you who sufferred recent losses, I lost my favorite uncle last week here is what my mother read to all at the funeral:

Cuando yo me vaya dejenme partir,
Dejenme ir
Tengo muchas cosas que ver y hacer
No deben aferrarse ustedes a mi
Con lagrimas
Alegrense que estubimos juntos
Muchos años
Yo les di mi amor
Piensen uds., cuanta felicidad
Me dieron
Les agradesco el amor que me demostraron
Cada uno de ustedes
Pero ahora es tiempo que viaje
Yo solo
Sientan pena un tiempo ,si,
Deben sentir pena ,
Pero despues dejen que su sufrimiento
Sea confortado por la esperanza
Va a ser solamente por un tiempo
Que estemos separados,
Bendigan los recuerdos en su corazon
Yo estare lejos y
La vida sigue adelante
Si me necesitas, llamame,
Y yo vendre
Y aunque no me puedan ver ni tocar
Yo estare cerca
Y si ustedes escuchan con el corazon
Sentiran todo mi amor rodeandolos
Suavemente y claramente
Despues, cuando deban seguir este
Camino solos
Yo los recibire con una sonrisa y les dire

"Bienvenidos a casa".
Elena Rohweder Turner  2858
09-08-2003 04:39 PM ET (US)
Victor Villalba and Arce are announcing the Cowboy games! I got this from him today:

Yes, Victor invited me to help out with the Spanish Radio
broadcasts this season. He has been doing this for a while, I am just learning. Completed my second broadcast yesterday! I was hoping to get a little more practice before everyone finds out!! The broadcasts are during
Cowboys games, 1270AM in Dallas, 97.7 in Mexico City with a pre/post game.
Wish me luck.

Hope all goes well.

Regards,
RC.

O. Andres Arce (aarce@sbcglobal.net)
11151 Rosser Road, Dallas TX 75229
Tel: 214-357-3493.
Ingrid Urich-Sass  2857
09-06-2003 04:36 PM ET (US)
Dominic- Mil felicidadez!!!! :)

Mike B- Happy B-day.

I have also taken a long hiatus from the chat. I am terrible at doing this reading and catching up every day.
En resumen....My husband finally got his green card on August 12!!!!! :)
So now we can have a normal life again after being separated for months on end. He was unable to come to the USA since his advanced parole visa expired on April...

Xanique is going to be 2 this September 13! Wow!! How time flies!
She is entering her "terrible twos"...very independent, and stubbern and the sweetest thing. All bundled up in her little body.
She still does not cease to surprise me every day.

Como estas Cindy? How are the kids? I hope everyone's well.

Anacecilia- Como anda Julia? Y tu familia? tambien espero que todo este bien.

I saw Shelly Levin Billik- I sometimes work on a TV show called "The Wesr Wing", at Warner Brothers, and Shelly came to visit me at the set. She looks exactly the same!!! Her children are adorable!!! Hopefully I will see her again at my daughters b-day party.

I have also seen Ximena Castañeda, class of 1982. She too works at WB.

Well, I have to go. Hopefully I will keep in touch better in the future.

My new e-mail: ROTCERID@mac.com

Besitos,
Ingrid
Cindy Petrinovic Miller  2856
09-06-2003 09:40 AM ET (US)
Dominic felicidades!!

Ramon: Well said. It's amazing to me how I continue to hear "why does the whole world hate America?"

After a long internet hiatus, we finally left a "satelite dish" to go to a wireless system....and we can get on the internet again. Our new email address is
trentandcindy@wispertel.net. Maybe now I can actually recieve emails!

Hector sorry I missed the pachanga, it sounds like you throw a great party!
Alex Juarez  2855
09-05-2003 11:29 AM ET (US)
Dominic: Mil Felicidades. Mandale un abrazo a Maggie. Que dice el buen Angus de su hermanita.

Alex L: I agree with John M. Let it go! Don't take things so personal.

Mike & Ronnie: Mil felicidades viejos.
Elena Rohweder Turner  2854
09-05-2003 10:34 AM ET (US)
It's Mike Buhler's birthday this weekend!
Anacecilia  2853
09-04-2003 11:09 AM ET (US)
Dominic, muchisismas felicidades! Disfrutala mucho. Vas a ver como hay un attachment especial de las niñas con los papas. Como esta Angus? Espero que les sea leve las "no dormidas".
John Maroney  2852
09-03-2003 09:17 PM ET (US)
Dominic: Felicitaciones. Does she look like the mother or the father?
Alex Loya: Your response to AMERICAN LOGIC was heart felt. However, you should not let literature such as that get to you. The piece was highly predictable. Do not take it personally. Everybody hates the Americans but they sure love Target and Walmart. You should see it here in Canada. Canadians have a difficult time trying to figure out what is their national identity. So much so that their identity eventually is summed up as anything that is not American. It is actually quite sad. Sad because deep down they like Americans but are unwilling to admit this. The closest thing to an identity as far as I am concerned is the 1972 overtime goal scored by Paul Henderson which allowed Canada to beat the Russians in hockey. Everybody here remembers where they were that day. Americans remember Dallas and the grassy knoll, Canadians remember "the shot heard around the world".Please do not get me wrong, I love Canada, especially now since Krispy Kream donoughts have arrived. So Alex, let it roll off your back.
John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2851
09-03-2003 06:43 PM ET (US)
Dominic: Congratulations on the new addition to your family! May she bring wonderful joy and happiness to your home.
DOMINIC  2850
09-03-2003 12:43 AM ET (US)
Hello to all:
Just wanted to let you know that our second child, Annabelle Christian, was born on August 28 and both daughter and mom are fine. The first thought that came to me was an old posting from Antonio Iñiguez that said "let the games begin!"

Ramon: Loved your posting! I bet you got it from LaNeta.com

Loya: Free Tibet! no,no, I mean FREE BEER!
Alex Loya  2849
09-02-2003 09:41 PM ET (US)
Oh, one more thing son. Today thanks to the sacrifice of our brave men and women in the Armed Forces of the United States over 50 million people breath free. Women can leave their homes by themselves, girls can go to school, boys don't have to fear being conscripted into an opressive army, children have been set free from cruel jails, men can speak their mind without fearing their tongues cut off and their families tortured. Also people can start businesses and dig themselves out of poverty, they can now print newspapers, ethnic minorities don't have to fear dying gruesome deaths by the weapons of mass destruction that were used on them more than once, I'm sure we will find them, unless that bad man Saddam used up all his arsenal on his own people. Also, son, I know we don't generally like politicians, but those poor politicians in Iraq don't have to fear being dragged out of a meeting and executed just because they were accused of not liking their boss. And son, people today are getting medicine they did not have before, they are getting food, hospitals and schools are being built and put into use. I know, my son, I can see it in your eyes, not all the bad men have been captured, hopefully the bombings will stop, but they may not stop fully, only God can change a heart. But, hey, little one, don't be so childish and impatient! It's only been a few of months!
Q. But, Daddy, what about China?
A. Well, son, China has sthe capability to muster up an army of 200 million fighting men, we could not win a conventional war with China. The only way we could defeat them, and we could, would be to anihilate them with the Nuclear weapons of mass destruction that we have, and we don't want to do that, son, because our country stands for freedom and respects the rights of other people to live and to exist. No, we are not perfect, but who is? But certainly, America is great because America is good, if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease being great, and we don't want that. Specially considering the weapons of mass destruction that we have, it would be a tragedy if America went bad. But, my son, go to sleep in peace tonight, the boots of the American Fighting man have kept many 9/11's from happening on our soil once again. And don't forget to pray for our president, Goerge Bush, that God would continue to give him courage and wisdom to make the right and tough decisions like the ones he has made. Good night my boy.
Ramon Ricoy  2848
08-30-2003 01:59 AM ET (US)
Felcidades Alex.
I could not resist to send you the following.
IRONIC BUT TRUE
AMERICAN LOGIC
Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass
Destruction.
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any
Weapons of mass destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't
worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.
Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they
Planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those
weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend
themselves.
Q: That doesn't make sense. Why would they choose to die if they
Had all those big weapons with which they could have fought back?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those
weapons.
We had another good reason to invade them anyway.
Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam
Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade
Another country.
Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade
His country?
A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.
Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic
competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops
to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate
gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government.
People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and
tortured.
Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China
Is Communist.
Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.
Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.
Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.
Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other
hand, is not.
Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed
Some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business
with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.
Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become
capitalists?
A: Don't be a smart-ass.
Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.
Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein
came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate
leader anyway.
Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country
By force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United
States.
Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is
our friend.
Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.
Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power
by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.
Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.
Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men - fifteen of them
Saudi Arabians - hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into
buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.
Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive
rule of the Taliban.
Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped
off people's heads and hands?
A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off
people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.
Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars
back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job
fighting drugs.
Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from
Growing opium poppies.
Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban
would have their hands and heads cut off.
Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for
Growing flowers, that was OK, but not if hey cut people's heads and
Hands off for other reasons?
A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for stealing bread.
Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy
That oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.
Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body
covering.
Q: What's the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest
yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except
for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an
evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body
except for her eyes and fingers.
Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The
Saudis are our friends.
Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September
11th were from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.
Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.
Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very
bad man.
Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.
Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us.
We call them Russians now.
Q: So the Soviets - I mean, the Russians - are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years
After they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the
French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.
Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French
Fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.
Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what
we want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade...
Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.
Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him
Our friend, temporarily.
Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.
Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked
The other way, to show him we were his friend.
Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.
Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically
an enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations
Can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time all
The better.
Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for
America. Also, since God is on America's side anyone who
Opposes war is a godless un American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?
Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to,
right?
A: Yes.
Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and
Tells him what to do.
Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq,
Because George W. Bush hears voices in his head.
A: Yes! You finally understand how the world works, Now close
your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep.
Goodnight.
Good night, Daddy
Alex Juarez  2847
08-29-2003 11:56 PM ET (US)
Alex M: Muchas felicidades! Espero la hayas pasado bien.
Anacecilia  2846
08-29-2003 12:00 PM ET (US)
Alex, tu tambien? Esto es como epidemia! Happy birth day! Como te la pasaste?
Alex McGrath  2845
08-27-2003 02:19 PM ET (US)
Happy birthday guero! So, tell us about your plans for the next 40 years. BTW I'm 40 today!
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2844
08-26-2003 05:15 PM ET (US)
Da BIG 4-0! WOOhooOOOOO! :)

Gracias Anacecilia y Jennifer!

Voy a beber un poco de tequila anoche!
Anacecilia  2843
08-26-2003 03:44 PM ET (US)
Marivi, Cuando estuve en S.F. me dijo Yolanda de tu Papa, pero tu estabas aqui en Mexico. No sabes como lo siento. Tuve la suerte de tratar mucho a Richard cuando estuve en ex alumnos y el estaba en el Endowment. Inclusive tomamos un curso juntos en la Anahuac. Please extend my condolences to your mom.

Domi. De nada, esta padre no? sabes algo de Rombaut y de Ucero?

Happy b-day Dwight. 39??????!!!!! ok, te creo.

Voy a ir a Cabo San Lucas del 8 de sept. al 20. La ultima vez que salimos a Puerto Vallarta nos encontramos a Jodi en el aeropuerto de regreso. So I figured I should ask now if anybody will be there at that time.

Elena, WOW!!! Salute.
Jennifer WSPerson was signed in when posted  2842
08-26-2003 06:17 AM ET (US)
Dwight ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2841
08-22-2003 05:57 PM ET (US)
Damn John! Talking about ice cold Vickies is getting me thirsty. DOH, It's past BEER:30!

Have a great weekend everyone!

Hey, by the way, I'm 39 today :)

When I say that lately everyone wishes me a happy birthday and I tell them it's not my birthday today :) Four more days and I'll join the rest of you old farts! :)
Elena Rohweder Turner  2840
08-21-2003 11:06 AM ET (US)
Marivi: I am sorry to hear about your father as well. Unfortunately, at our age, too many of our friends are going throught the same losses. One of my co-workers lost both parents suddenly in 2 weeks. Another has lost 3 out of 4 grandparents in 90 days.

I do have some happy news, Craig and I celebrated our 2nd anniversary on Monday and are running off on a cruise on Friday. We will start in Venice, with stops in Croatia, Greece, Almalfi, Sicily and end in Rome. Zipped up the suitcase this morning and can't wait to be on the water.

Victor Escandon (Yolanda's brother) called me yesterday. He moved to Dallas and is working for Frito Lay. We are playing phone tag, but it is great to have another AHSer in town!
John Maroney  2839
08-20-2003 10:26 PM ET (US)
Dominic. Yes, I have been a fresa for nearly 16 years. John Hendrix found this out when he flew up here for a visit. He thought I was pulling his leg. I must say that I fondly remember the taste of an ice cold Victoria on a hot Tepotzlan afternoon.As to my antiquated Canadian phone system I am plugging in my answering machine. If you get a chance send me your number.
Aida Fuentes Class 64  2838
08-20-2003 07:37 PM ET (US)
Hola, me pongo a sus ordenes para servicios de psicología profesional y psicoterapia para adolescentes, adultos y parejas. Podrán ver mi anuncio en el próximo "Focus".También ofrecemos los
siguientes talleres:
Como Formar hijos exitosos-taller para padres
Taller de coodependencia -Como hacerte cargo de tu vida
Elección inteligente de tu carrera
Métodos para manejar la ira
Para mayores informes de otros talleres y servicios llamar al 55-95-09-92 o aidafuentes@mail.com
Marivi  2837
08-20-2003 07:33 PM ET (US)
Elena: Just heard about your Dad. Please accept my condolences. My Father died on June 23, and I know that there is very little one can say to ease the pain. Hang in there.

A ver cuando vienes a SF a visitarnos a mi y a Yolanda, who I see often.
DOMINIC  2836
08-20-2003 12:22 PM ET (US)
Anaceci & A.Juarez: Thanks for the picture, without a doubt, the greatest Bears Footbal team ever.
Did anyone ever take a picture of the cheerleaders, drillteam and stats-grils all together? That would be a great picture to have!

Maroney: It's cool that you live in a field of dreams but I did call you two days in row and it just rang and rang. How do I get a hold of you or leave a message?
Last but not least: Como que eres fresa? Don't tell me me you quit drinking like Loya? I remember both of you hapily chuggin away in your youth days. The way I see it, Tequila and Beer is proof god loves us all.
Alex Loya  2835
08-17-2003 05:00 PM ET (US)
Elena, you are certainly welcome. Truly, if there is one place to find peace and comfort it is in the Lord.

John, I am still waiting on the Army. Would you believe it? It has been a full year now since I started the process of becoming a chaplain and its not over yet!But, actually, we are waiting on the Marine Corps, as I mentioned before, the marines made a mistake in assigning me an RE-4 reenlistment code with the honorable discharge they granted me. An honorable discharge from the Armed Forces of the United States is the highest characterization of service, while an RE-4 reenlistment code means you can't reenlist, the two are incompatible. So, after going thrugh the year long process with the Army, I had to get a packet together for the Marines through the Dept. of the Navy for them to correct my reenlistment code before I can proceed with the Army. That the Army worked all the way through with me before correcting the RE-4 was a miracle in and of itself. At any rate, at this moment the Dept. of the Navy is supposed to be reviewing my record and a board has to meet for them to correct my reenlistment code. The bummer is that I have heard that once they assign a reenlistment code it is very difficult for them to change it even if it is incompatible with the characterization of service, which, in my case, it is honorable. Once they correct the RE-4 to make it compatible with my honorable discharge, then my packet will go before the Army Chaplain board and then they will decide if they want me to serve. The competition is very stiff, I will go up against men who have much more pastoral, military ad combat experience than me. I should know by the end of November. I suppose, if the Lord called me, I will be in by January, if He didn't call me, then I don't need to be in that ministry. In the mean time, I am working with my pastor to set up a preaching itinerary, he will help me print brochures and send letters to churches all over so I can preach at a different church every Sunday, if the Army doesn't work out, I may load up my family in an RV and travel all over the U.S. preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ, we'll see, I am at a crossroads... Hey, does this answer your question? :)
John Maroney  2834
08-16-2003 07:37 PM ET (US)
DOMINIC. Sorry to have missed you. Sounds like you had a good time. Next time you are near this area you should drop by. If you have ever watched the movie Field of Dreams that is what it looks like around here. Muy tranquilo. Just the place to enjoy a Tequila as the sun sets. Lastima que soy fresa.
Alex Loya. How goes your spiritual journey? Are you still considering the Army? There is alot you can do with your Spanish and the word of God for innercity hispanics in any major center.
Hope everybody survived the blackout. The funny thing about living in the sticks is that it made little difference.
DOMINIC  2833
08-15-2003 02:02 PM ET (US)
Anaceci: Las escuelas publicas son una porqueria en Austin.
El pre-kinder de Angus se llama St. Mathews y va a costar $ 150.00 al mes. Dice mi esposa que los high schools privados andan como en $ 700.00 al mes.
Anacecilia  2832
08-14-2003 01:55 PM ET (US)
Domi, Y yo que pensaba que el VO era vodka! Gracias por el curso intensivo. En los viajes que hice antes de casarme llegue a probar cada cosa pero el Molson y el Vo no entraron al inventario. Anabelle es bonito nombre, por lo menos muy dulce, ya nos platicaras si la beba le hace honor. De la colegiatura hay una cuota unica(once in a life time) que si sales de la escuela y luego regresas ya no te vuelven a cobrar que anda en 23 mil volovanes. De cole son doce meses de 6300. La cosa es que esto es para gastos. Acuerdate que el colegio es un AC which means an Asosiacion Civil osea non profit. Por eso aparte esta el Endowment Fund y todo el fund raising y donativos. Por ejemplo las becas, arreglos en edificios etc. son con donativos. De los maestros la verdad no se. La ventaja es que durante el año ya no vuelves a gastar en otras cosas. (en muchas escuelas piden disfraces, cuotas para fiestas etc.) y ademas creeme, que una vez que ves todo lo que ofrecen, I still think is worth it. I still believe that the American School in Mexico City (porque John estuvo en el de Chile y no tiene nada que ver) has always been ahead of its time. We owned the first football in 1908 (unica en el pais) and the first computer for student use in 1980. Cuando yo llegue a la Anahuac, nadie de mi grupo habia "tocado" una computadora.

Platicando con Sammy y Yola, se que por ejemplo en San Francisco, las escuelas son o muy buenas o muy malas, y estan segun el neighborhood. Puedes pagar una fortuna por tu casa y poder mandar a tu hijo a una buena escuela o de plano pagar una fortuna por la escuela.
Como es donde ustedes viven?

Mañana voy a ver a Geor y a sus chavos. Si alguien tiene tiempo en la tarde para ir a platicar y que los chavos vayan a una ludoteca hablenme, 044 55 12 12 69 54.
DOMINIC  2831
08-13-2003 11:44 AM ET (US)
Anaceci: Me gano la curiosidad, a como estan las colegiaturas? Tambien me pregunto si el AHS gana $ o si apenas con lo que cobran la hacen?. Si ganan $, quien se lo queda? y por ultimo, le pagan retiro a ex-maestros?
Odiaria tener que pagar ahora para el retiro de ciertos seudo-profesores que estaban en mi hit-list.
DOMINIC  2830
08-13-2003 11:35 AM ET (US)
Anaceci: La niña esta programada para el 28, se va a llamar Anabelle y la estamos esperando con ansiedad.
El Angus entra a un "pre-pre-pre quien sabe que" a fin de mes, ojala y se comporte, lo dudo.
Molson es una cerveza de Canada muy buena. VO es un tipo de Whisky Canadiense que sabe horrible. La onda es tomarse un shot del VO y bajarte el sabor con una cerveza. El resultado de esto ya te lo has de imaginar.
Anacecilia  2829
08-12-2003 10:48 PM ET (US)
Perdon la ignorancia, que es Moslon? (doesn't sound too good)
Anacecilia  2828
08-12-2003 10:47 PM ET (US)
Pues ya me extraniaba Domi que la perdieras nomas porque si! Bye the way? Cuando nace el bebe?

Hoy fui al colegio a entregar la solicitud de Julia para K-1. Fuera de ver la futura colegiatura que me revolvio el estomago, me dio mucha emocion. Solo falta que la escuincla se comporte en su examen! Entraria en ago. 2004 asi que sera class of 2018!

I wonder, cuantos de ustedes tienen hijos en el colegio?
DOMINIC  2827
08-11-2003 05:33 PM ET (US)
Looks like a missed a good party! I went to Toronto for the big concert and drank way too much Vo and Molson for 2 days with some "business" associates.Those Cannucks can drink that Vo like its water and chase it with beer, aahhh!!! pero in Rome, do like the romans do.
On the flight back I got sicker than I ever imagined possible. I actually landed in Austin sitting on the plane bathroom. I bet it was those damn Toronto street vendor hot dogs. I spent that saturday night drinking plenty of Pepto, Kaopectate and anyhting that even remotely promised relief.

Maroney: I called you two days in row, you gotta get an answering machine! We actually had about 6 extra tickets and I called you but it just rang and rang.

Hector: Te la debo mi estimado, yo no me pierdo una fiesta tan facil, pero estaba KO.

McGrath: La historia que mencionas del buen Pepino es verdad, yo me acuerdo de eso.
Elena Rohweder Turner  2826
08-11-2003 11:19 AM ET (US)
Alex - thank you for your calming words

AnaCecila - My mother is from Mexico, we lived in the house where she grew up in San Angel. She spoke to us only in Spanish and Dad only in English. She attended the AHS when it was on Insurgentes. I went to elementary and 7th in Alexandria VA and we moved to Mexico when I went into 8th because she wanted us to know "the culture, not just the language" It was only supposed to be a year in DF, but I loved it and decided to stay through 12th. Dad stayed in VA so we only saw him summers. All my siblings moved back to VA and lived with him at one point but me. I am sorry I missed having more time with him as they did.
Alex Loya  2825
08-10-2003 06:39 PM ET (US)
Anaceci! What a trip! You posted one minute before I did! We were obviously typing our messages at the same time! Great news about Ricardo! I know the man wanted to get hitched!

Ricardo, mil felicidades! Al parecer te funciono el consejo que te di en la reunion!... with women, man, you gotta not show too much interest, act cool and self sufficient,show yourself secure and they will come to you... was I right or was I right?!
Alex Loya  2824
08-10-2003 06:31 PM ET (US)
Hello my friends! Thanks to all who wished me a happy 4-0! To think that when we live from now as long as we have lived thus far we will be 80 years old! Imagine that! Except Warren, he will be 79... the baby!

Hector, jamas me llego la invitacion a tu fiesta, pero de todos modos gracias por invitar! Espero que se hayan divertido como yo me divierto, sin borrachera ni palabrotas ni nada de eso... (sera posible?)

Elena, sorry to hear about your dad. You know, God does encourage us in His Word, the Bible, to live a full and productive life under the sun, i.e. while we are on this earth... it certainly sounds like your daddy did just that. Let me encourage you if at times you feel saddened by your recent loss, look to the One who is the Author of life, call upon His Name,Jesus, and, certainly, in Him you will find yourself comforted and refreshed.
Anacecilia  2823
08-10-2003 06:30 PM ET (US)
Elena, ok, but happy b-day for whenever it is anyways! by the way? how come you ended up in Mexico City? Your father's life was so interesting but I couldn't figure why you were here.

Ramon, te extranamos. La verdad es que creo que ya no se nos da mucho la bailada pero yo me la pase padrisimo en el chisme. George no bailo ni una ! that was a first. Alex Mc. que memoria. Siempre que me junto con asf people, la noche se hace corta de todo lo que se platica.

De las novedades que encontramos fue que uno de los solteros enpedernidos ya no lo es! Ricardo Ortega llego con su esposa, muy buena onda por cierto. Mil Felicidades! Ricardo.
Elena Rohweder Turner  2822
08-08-2003 11:09 AM ET (US)
I am happy to report that it is not my birthday. Can you tell I am not ready to add another year to my age?

Yolanda was my middle name (I made Rohweder my middle name when I married as I did not want to lose that) so that is why Yolanda and I were tocayas!
Alex McGrath  2821
08-08-2003 12:18 AM ET (US)
Para su fiesta, Hector H. junto a sus chums de las escuelas donde estuvo, desde la primaria hasta la universidad, una idea que se me hizo muy padre.

Hundreds of things happened at the same time in school, and each one of us saw only a small part of the whole picture. So it's always good to get together and talk about everything that went on, like trying to solve a huge jigsaw puzzle of events. Some of the things overheard that night:

"Remember when somebody hit you in the face with a rotten orange? I did that. I never imagined I would get you, you were so far away, but it was such an excellent throw. It wasn't personal, I simply happened to find a rotten orange on the ground, then I saw you..."

Talking about a wild party: "In the early morning hours we began to get hungry... somebody found some cans in the fridge and we all ate that strange dip with galletas Ritz. When we finally woke up next day, we realized it was dog food."

"While most of us would spend 5 pesos at lunch, Robert Trejo would spend maybe 50 pesos in tickets. Then he would line up his friends and give them away, "You can have some, you no, you yes, you no..."

"Me acabo de titular despues de 15 años. Comence cinco tesis distintas y finalmente termine una. Un mes despues de presentarla, la Ibero saco su plan de titulacion sin tesis..."

"He tied his mom to a chair and threatened her with a knife for two straight days. Yeah, he was always kind of wacko."

"Even after his accident, we would put an old football helmet on Pepino's head and throw him down the side of the steep hill. He didn’t seem to mind."
Ramon Ricoy  2820
08-07-2003 02:50 PM ET (US)
Elena y Yoli: Muchas felicidades.
Ana Y Alex:Cuenten como estuvo el Party???
Alex Juarez  2819
08-07-2003 12:43 AM ET (US)
Elena: Happy B-Day
Anacecilia  2818
08-06-2003 08:24 PM ET (US)
Elena, tu tambien? Happy birthday y pasatela super!
Elena Rohweder Turner  2817
08-06-2003 11:38 AM ET (US)
Yoli - feliz cumpleanos tocaya!
Alex Juarez  2816
08-05-2003 11:35 PM ET (US)
Yola: Mil felicidades. Ojala te la pases muy bien.
Anaceci: Le mando a Dominic su foto esta semana.
Anacecilia  2815
08-05-2003 01:18 PM ET (US)
Alex. yo tambien me la pase padrisimo! Dominic te mande con Alex una foto que encontro Memo donde estas con Coach Wendler, Beto y Rombaut. Ahora si que se la perdieron.

Yolanda, happy b-day! tengo fotos de Julia con Renee que salieron padrisimas. Mandame un mail y pasatela super. apvdlf@avantel.net
Alex Juarez "81"  2814
08-04-2003 11:10 AM ET (US)
Hello Everyone, Just a quick note to say that Hector's party was fun and a great chance to catch up. AHS Alumni that attended: Ana Cecilia, Hector Hernandez, George Ortes, Ricardo Ortega, Craig Dudley, Nacho Vizcarra, Alex McGrath, Jesus Bravo, Ricardo Ganem and a BIG NO SHOW FROM MR PARTY HIMESLF DOMINIC! What happend BIG D?
Nos quedamos como novia de pueblo, vestidos y alborotados!
It was great seeing the cuates
Saludos
Elena Rohweder Turner  2813
08-04-2003 10:12 AM ET (US)
Anacecilia: Thanks for your sweet note. You are so right that it does make it easier when you can point to a rich legacy a loved one leaves behind.

I am excited to report that Heather Fraser (Unkle) is moving back to Texas! Her husband Jeff is going to persue his passion in the culinary arts (after a successful career in financial services PR) They have bought a house in Georgetown, about 3 hours south of Dallas and near Heather's parents' home north of Austin.
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2812
07-31-2003 10:17 AM ET (US)
John, here's an excerpt from a CNEWS Canada article:

http://www.canoe.com/CNEWS/Canada/2003/07/30/149926-cp.html

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There were sweaty bodies in every direction, some sedated by their consumption of pot. The weed's scent wafted throughout the spacious grounds. Joints were smoked in some cases in the presence of police.

And just like the legendary 1969 U.S. music festival decades before there were girls gone wild, gyrating topless under a misty shower designed to keep them cool.

Dozens of appreciative men captured the act with their disposable cameras until the man who solicited the performance was carted off in handcuffs by police.

In another scene from the Woodstock love-in, a young blonde woman was cheered wildly as she stripped bare while dancing atop a truck.

====

(I wonder if Dominic was involved with any solicitations :)
John Maroney  2811
07-30-2003 08:17 PM ET (US)
Sars concert Dominic citing. I have several friends who are attending the Sars concert tonight. I have given them a brief description of Dominic and have given them the password "TEPEJI". It is a long shot but one never knows.
Elena. That was a wonderful tribute. It is especially moving to those of us who have lost parents.
Héctor Hernández  2810
07-30-2003 02:26 PM ET (US)
Hola, faltan tres días para la fiesta de reencuentro. Hasta ahorita están confirmados: Alex Juárez, Dominic, Anaceci, Ricardo Ortega, Gabriel Ortega, Alejandra Alvarado, Ramón Ricoy, George, Alex Mc Grath, Homero Menchaca y Eduardo Lozano. Tal vez Craig y Thurston. Y falta la confirmación de varios más. ¡¡¡¡No vayan a dejar de venir, va a estar muy buena!!!
Anacecilia  2809
07-30-2003 01:06 PM ET (US)
Elena, WOW! what a resume, you should be proud! Que increible que puedas hablar con orgullo no? . If some thing I learned from when my dad died was that. Let your own be proud of you. With all the grief you are feeling right know at least you have the privilige to say he led a great life and will be remembered and missed. Could you imagine what the sons and daughters of criminals, narcos and real loosers must feel?


El sabado cenamos Hector y Chiquis, John y yo con Alex Juarez. Had a great time, lastima que Nancy wasn't feeling good. Manana jueves vamos a six flags con los chavos si alguien mas se anima, more than welcome. 044 55 12 12 69 54
Elena Rohweder Turner  2808
07-30-2003 11:02 AM ET (US)
Dwight: you are good. I'd forgotten about that.

Here is my Dad's bio:
Ralph Rohweder was born July 4, 1917, in Winona, Minnesota to Arthur Valentine Rohweder and Ester Bernice Duffy. He graduated from Duluth Central High School in 1935. He also attended the University of Minnesota, University of Michigan, and George Mason University.

Ralph married the late June McClellan in 1937. They had four daughters: Sally (Gwen) Cox, Marilyn (Lynn) Kniebuehler, Juliet Hawksley and Robin Van Castle; and three sons: Ralph Jr., Rex and Roger Rohweder.

Ralph began his career as a window shade and drapery technician. But he was not destined to stay behind the curtain for long. A bandleader had heard of him and asked him to play trumpet in his orchestra. His first task was sight-reading the lead trumpet part on a radio broadcast. No rehearsal. From that start he progressed to playing trumpet in a nationally known band. While he loved jazz music, his interest was science and politics. He said the life of a traveling musician was “like traveling in an endless tunnel with most of the world out of sight.”

He was the proprietor of the number-one jazz spot in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis-St. Paul. When World War II and gas rationing evaporated his clientele, his father made it possible for Ralph to get into the civic endeavors that became the hallmark of his life. He joined the staff of the Minnesota Safety Council. His creative work there led to a position as a consultant and editor, National Safety Council in Chicago. He continued to play jazz trumpet. A weekend job at a hotel in Chicago’s “Loop” paid more than his full-time job at the National Safety Council.

Ralph began work with State Bureaus of Vital Statistics in 1938 to learn more about causes of death. In one effort, Ralph organized a study of all accidents in Olmstead County, Minnesota. A direct consequence of that work was a program to eliminate causes of accidents in homes. In the past 40 years, that program has reduced the rate of home-accidents and prevented an estimated 2,200,000 home accident deaths in the United States.

Ralph joined the St. Paul (Minnesota) Junior Chamber of Commerce in 1939, where his fellow members included then 32-year-old Minnesota Governor Harold Stassen and Warren Burger, who later became Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court. In 1942 he moved to Chicago, Illinois, where he became President of the Chicago Junior Chamber of Commerce in 1945-46 and president of the Illinois Junior Chamber of Commerce in 1947-48. Ralph went on to serve the United States Junior Chamber of Commerce as National Vice President in 1948-49. During his various terms in office, his successful endeavors gained him numerous appearances on radio and articles in print.

Ralph was appointed Executive Director of the National Society of Medical Research (NSMR) because of the publicity received on his projects for the Jaycees. During his 20- year tenure, every new local, state and national statute and every new court decision relating to public policies on biomedical science research was advocated by NSMR.

Also during the 1950’s, Ralph was president of Safe Flight, Inc., a company that developed a twin-engine amphibian aircraft.

In 1959 he married Pilar A. Magaña. They had one son: Alfredo Rafael Rohweder and three daughters: Alicia Norberg, Elena Turner and Sonia Wagner.

In the early 1970’s Ralph served as a consultant to the Health Services and Mental Health Administration, where he authored legislation to improve emergency medical services and expand development of prosthetic devices.

Thereafter, Ralph established Science Information Service, an organization devoted to the assembly and communication of scientific and technical information. Clients included NASA, The Smithsonian, Department of Health and Human Services, The National Science Foundation, The General Electric Company and Bill Lear.

Ralph and his wife, Mary Ward, had two daughters: Christina and Mariana Rohweder. In addition to his wife, he is survived by his 13 children, 21 grandchildren and 12 great-grandchildren.

The Ralph Rohweder collection of political, scientific and social essays can be found at www.rohweders.com
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2807
07-29-2003 03:17 PM ET (US)
Elena, you wrote that in our '81 class yearbook :) I thought I would post that to cheer you up :)
Elena Rohweder Turner  2806
07-24-2003 12:33 AM ET (US)
Thanks everyone for your condolences. I used to say that writing my own resume was my hardest writing assignment, but that's not the case. Writing my father's bio for the Memorial Service program was the worst. How does one sum up a tremendous life in just a few paragraphs?

Dwight, your note made me laugh. How did you know? My father used to say his ideal house would be 12 garages with a small bedroom and bath attached. Ideally located at an airport.
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2805
07-23-2003 01:50 PM ET (US)
Thirteen wonderful children from a wonderful, loving father, and now a twelve car garage for all of his "projects" in heaven :)
Sue MacIntoshPerson was signed in when posted  2804
07-22-2003 12:38 AM ET (US)
Elena, so sorry to hear about your dad. I feel for you.
Alex Juarez  2803
07-21-2003 11:00 PM ET (US)
Anaceci: Claro que si. No me ha contestado nadie todavia. Hablale a Hector para motivarlo. Saludos
Alex Juarez  2802
07-21-2003 10:59 PM ET (US)
Elena: I am very sorry to hear about your dad. May he rest in peace. From knowing you, I know your dad left an everlasting legacy. Please remember that time heals.
Anacecilia  2801
07-21-2003 08:55 PM ET (US)
Elena, lo siento mucho. It's not easy.

Dominic, I guess I shouldv'e known better!! LOL. El concierto suena padrisimo. Porque vas?

Por cierto, Meatloaf va a estar aqui el 8 de agosto. Muy fresa? No se, pero a mi me encanta.

Alex y Hector. Si van al football, invitenos no?
Kelly Sherck Domnauer  2800
07-21-2003 07:25 PM ET (US)
So sorry to hear about your Dad, Elena. With 13 kids, your Dad certainly left a legacy. From what I know of you (quite a bit!) and your siblings, he left a GOOD legacy, to boot! Hang in there my friend. xo
Elena Rohweder Turner  2799
07-21-2003 06:42 PM ET (US)
Thanks all of you for your prayers. My father passed away on Friday night. He was surrounded by 8 of his 13 children (bet you guys did not know I had so many siblings) We are having a memorial service on the 26th in Alexandria, VA, my childhood home.

What I've learned is, life is short, family is sacred and strive to leave a legacy.
John Maroney  2798
07-18-2003 03:59 PM ET (US)
Dominic. Good luck at the Sars concert in Toronto. They predict attendance in the vecinity of 600,000. Que reventon. Our farm is not too far from Toronto so if you have some spare time you are more than welcome. My number is 1-519-692-3408.
DOMINIC  2797
07-18-2003 12:26 PM ET (US)
Ramon y Alex: Yo llego SIN pero llego hasta el 31.
Lo del nuevo Pub suena bien como para el viernes 1.
Que ya quede confirmado de una vez aqui en el chat y nos vemos ahi , say 7:00 pm? Mi celular en Mexico es 01-844-4274084.
Alex Juarez "81"  2796
07-18-2003 11:29 AM ET (US)
Ramon, Te hablo el viernes 24 cuando llegue. Yo voy con.
Suena bien ese Pub
Dominic, entonces llegas el 24 tambien?
Hector te hablo.
Que onda al Azteca el domingo entonces? Quien va. Hector puedes conseguir boletos o palco? Hablale a Chucho al 5587-5658.
Dejanos saber
Héctor Hernández  2795
07-18-2003 11:12 AM ET (US)
Alex Juarez y Dominic: en cuanto lleguen a México llámenme. Alex Mc Grtah, te deje un recado en tu contestadora, háblame, es urgente.
Héctor Hernández  2794
07-18-2003 11:12 AM ET (US)
Juarez y Dominic: en cuanto lleguen a México llámenme. Alex Mc Gtah, te deje un recado en tu contestadora, háblame, es urgente.
Ramon Ricoy  2793
07-18-2003 11:02 AM ET (US)
Dom y A:
Me apunto para la Pre, pero hay un nuevo Irish Pub enfrente a Liverpool Polanco Mariano Escobedo, tienen Stout tibio, que se me hace mas ad-hoc. Me pueden hablar cuando lleguen al 5292 4827 o Cel. 04455 8569 8727 vienen con o sin?
DOMINIC  2792
07-17-2003 01:44 PM ET (US)
Alex J: Hiba a llegar desde principios de semana pero unos necios me obligaron a ir a Toronto el jueves a lo del concierto de beneficio del Sars. Asi que llego directo de Toronto el viernes a medio dia. Llegando te marco a tu casa a ver si nos vamos el viernes a la pre-pachnaga. La destileria en Polanco seria una buena opcion al menos que haya nuevos antros mas venenosos. El domingo en el Azteca estaria bien. Hablale al negro y demas ecuases.
Alex Juarez  2791
07-16-2003 11:35 PM ET (US)
AnaCeci: Como puedes dudar de nuestro Class King. Por alla nos vemos en mas o menos una semana. Que ganas de comer tacos al pastor.....
Va a ir Sammy a Mexico?

Anyone else going to Hector's party?
See you there.
Dominic: Hablame cuando llegues a Mexico. Vamos a estar en casa de mi mama. 5673-9059 o 5673-9214
Ojala me toque la final de la Copa Oro.
DOMINIC  2790
07-16-2003 05:33 PM ET (US)
Anacecilia: A poco lo dudas?
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2789
07-16-2003 05:23 PM ET (US)
Hey amigos, our very own Jennifer Wayland-Smith was on the Travel Channel's Great Hotels show! She was interviewed and spoke about The Chocolate Spa at the Hotel Hershey. I'll take the whipped cocoa bath and the chocolate mud hydrotherapy please :)

Chupando cuando trabajando!
Anacecilia  2788
07-16-2003 02:52 PM ET (US)
Hola todos, just got back from visiting S.F. As always, had a great time visiting with Yolanda and her daughter and with Sammy and his family. It is so much fun watching both their daughters play with Julia. We were going across the river in a conoe. Sammy was rowing and he says "Que increible estar aqui con nuestras hijas" Quien lo hubiera creido! Realmente la pasamos bien.

Geor, me dijo Sammy que tal vez vienes a la fiesta de Hector? Estaria padrisimo. Mandame un mail para que nos veamos desde antes apvdlf@avantel.net

Elena, have a wonderful trip and ENJOY your Dad's birthday!

Ramon, suena tan logico pero Dominic... are you serious!!
DOMINIC  2787
07-14-2003 01:38 PM ET (US)
Hector: Que bueno que invitaste a Loya, necesitamos a alguien que bendiga el chupe antes de tremenda jarra!!!!
See everyone there!

Ramon: The 16 reasons why booze should be served at work really works. I host a sales meeting for my company every year and ever since we introduced bloody mary's in the morning work sessions, everyone participates more, subject matter discussions and even verval attacks are now common when before everyone would just shut up and act like they were listening. And yes,it's an incentive to show up for a little morning medicine.
Elena Rohweder Turner  2786
07-08-2003 02:48 PM ET (US)
Thanks for everyone's kind notes and prayers for my Dad. He just celebrated his 86th birthday on the 4th of July and I will be traveling to VA to see him in a couple weeks!

I saw Ann Constantino (Negratti) this Sunday and met her husband John. They sure are fun. Tennyson was going to join us but he "remembered" that it was his anniversary. I understand he was happy stores were open on Sundays....
Ramon Ricoy  2785
07-07-2003 11:22 PM ET (US)
Como veo que estan P.... antes de la fiesta les mando esto:
16 REASONS WHY ALCOHOL SHOULD BE SERVED AT WORK...
 
1. It's an incentive to show up.
2. It leads to more honest communications.
3. It reduces complaints about low pay.
4. Employees tell management what they think, not what they want to hear.
5. It encourages car pooling.
6. Increase job satisfaction because if you have a bad job, you don't care.
7. It eliminates vacations because people would rather come to work.
8. It makes fellow employees look better.
9. It makes the cafeteria food taste better.
10. Bosses are more likely to hand out raises when they are wasted.
11.Salary negotiations are a lot more profitable.
12. Employees work later since there's no longer a need to relax at the bar.
13. It makes everyone more open with their ideas.
14. Eliminates the need for employees to get drunk on their lunch break.
15. Employees no longer need coffee to sober up.
16. Sitting "Bare ass" on the copy machine will no longer be seen as gross.
Gerardo Llanes  2784
07-07-2003 12:32 PM ET (US)
sorry john, I saw J Wayland Smith when I was writing it and probably got confused, Jessica is her name. no soy tan guey. thanks Gerardo
John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2783
07-07-2003 11:25 AM ET (US)
Gerardo, I forwarded your message to Jennifer (okay, that's not her name but I'll keep you guessing for a while) so she can get in touch with you directly. I forwarded her your email address.

Jennifer, have fun in DFW. How are things up in PA? How do you keep yourself from gorging on all the chocolate?
Gerardo Llanes  2782
07-07-2003 08:44 AM ET (US)
John Bauer. I am trying to reach your sister Jennifer, I had a number but it seems it is not the right one, could you please send me via this her number or email. thanks Gerardo


Ya no chupen , mejor comprense ropa, cuidado con el caballo Bayo que es muy bronco.
Jennifer WSPerson was signed in when posted  2781
07-06-2003 07:17 PM ET (US)
Hey there class of '81 ... I know that there are several of you that live in the DFW area. Just wanted to let you know that I am going to be visiting there in October. I'm going to be at a conference, but thought I would PLAY first. Ann Constantino, Cindy Young, Natalie Roberts and I are all planning on getting together. We would LOVE it if anyone else can join us. We plan on playing on Oct 10 & 11.

I was also going to try and get Jeff Sheldon to join us. He lives in Plano. His parents and mine stay in touch quite a bit. In fact my parents just saw Jeff and the ENTIRE Sheldon crew in WY for Jeff's grandmother's 100th birthday celebration. What a lady!

Anyway, if anyone wants to join us, the more the merrier! You can reach me at jwaysmith@hotmail.com or here.

I hope that everyone is well and enjoyed a safe and fun 4th of July weekend!
Héctor Hernández  2780
07-03-2003 11:45 PM ET (US)
Hola a todos.

Ya falta poco para la fiesta y hasta ahorita he contactado y me han dicho que sí van ir Alejandra Alvarado, Alex Mc Grath, Alex Juárez, Craig Dudley, Dominic, Eduardo Lozano, Gabriel Ortega, George Ortés, Georgina Márquez, Hellen Plashinski, Homero Menchaca, Mike Buhler, Ramón, Ricardo Ortega, Ronnie Buhler, Anaceci y Memo y Thurston. Además ya invite a Karen, Sara, Jesús Bravo, José Olivo, Celia Gómez, Nacho Vizcarra y Federico Gorbea. Espero que todos vayan. También le escribi a Cindy, a Alex Loya, a Lorena Like y a Óscar Loera (ellos del 82) y no he tenido su respuesta.

Espero que todos asistan y ustedes diganle a más amigos.

A los que no viven en México, es una alegría que vengan al evento.

Les recuerdo, es el 2 de Agosto, Caballo Bayo, Salón de abajo (olvide el nombre) 9:00 PM.

Estamos en contacto!!!

PD: Dominic, también va ir Jaime Pons.
Alex Juarez "81"  2779
07-03-2003 02:45 PM ET (US)
Dominic: Yo ya estoy puesto. Tengo nuestros boletos para llegar a Mexico el 24 de julio y nos regresamos a Phoenix el 3 de agosto. Hablale a los City Cuates.

Elena: I am sorry to hear about your dad. I hope he recovers and that you can enjoy him for many more years.

Loya: What is this of "How come nobody wished me Happy B-Day"? Are we suppose to keep track of Alex Loya's accomplishments and its dates? All kidding aside, Feliz Cumpleaños mi estimado ex Hulk!
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2778
07-03-2003 12:04 PM ET (US)
Alex L, HAPPY 40th amigo!!! Dude, you're getting old! I'm still 39 ;)

Elena, the last time I was in Puerto Vallarta I got shellfish poisoning from langostinos! I'm so very, very sorry to hear that your Dad is doing bad. I just returned from a fishing trip last week in Canada with my Dad and I know how special and precious it is spending time with your parents. My prayers and thoughts go out to your Dad, you and your family. When it all gets down to it, family and the love we share are the only things in life that matter. Be strong, try to kindle his will, and show your love the great way you always have.
DOMINIC  2777
07-02-2003 12:25 PM ET (US)
JANITO BOY:
VAS A IR A LA FIESTA DEL HECTOR? NO SE ME RAJE!
TAMBIEN ESTARIA BUENO AVISARLE AL NEGRO!

ANYONE ELSE GOING TO THE HECTOR PARTY?
Elena Rohweder Turner  2776
06-27-2003 05:02 PM ET (US)
Hi all! It has been forever since I got to my AOL and thus our chat room. Todos bien?

Last July I began working at Capital One and since I spend my day on the computer, the last thing I want to do when I get home is turn on my laptop. So.... AOL shows more than 600 emails waiting.. que flojera!

Anyway, if you want to reach me, best bet is my work email which is eturner@carfund.com

No big news here. I did go to Puerto Vallarta after 20 years of not going near the place. I highly recommend the 4 Seasons, and hear that Rosewood, Ralph Loren, Ritz Carlton and other highline hotel chains also plan to build in Punta Mita. Ideal for families and couples.

My Dad is doing very poorly. He's been in the hospital a lot and has lost the will to live. He is home now but down to 104 pounds and depressed. It is hard on everyone to see him this way. Keep him in your prayers - por favor.
Homero Menchaca Falcon  2775
06-26-2003 12:30 PM ET (US)
Felicidades Alex por tus 40.
Est&#E1;s pendiente con la pachanga...

-----Mensaje original-----
De: QT - Alex Loya [1] Enviado el: Martes, 24 de Junio de 2003 07:29 p.m.
Para: QT topic subscribers
Asunto: AHS Class of '81


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Héctor Hernández  2774
06-25-2003 08:46 PM ET (US)
Hola a todos!!!!
¿Cómo estan?
Espero que bien.
Les recuerdo que ya falta muy poco para nuestra gran fiesta el 2 de Agosto, a las 9:00 pm en el Caballo Bayo. Ya van muchos que me han confirmado y ojalá y vayan muchos más.
Para cualquier duda, les dejó mi mail: hector@realidadamericanista.com

Alex Mc Grath: ya conseguí el teléfono de Nacho, incluso le llamé y no estuvo. A ver si le marcas tu. Es uno de los dos que te dí.
Saludos!!!
John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2773
06-24-2003 10:04 PM ET (US)
Because we're pretty much self centered...but here goes...happy 4-0 <g>.
Alex Loya  2772
06-24-2003 08:29 PM ET (US)
Hey! How come nobody wished me a happy 4-0?!
Mike Buhler  2771
06-24-2003 09:33 AM ET (US)
Ingrid and John, thanks to both of you to reach outside of yourselves and help others. I really appreciate it. Until I read John's piece, and after having called the number provided by Ingrid, I decided not to opt out. The reason for this is that although the service accurately matched by phone to my street address, it requested my social security #. Having had friends who have been victims of identity theft, I am extremely leery of providing anyone, of whom I not 100% certain is a legitimate entity with a need to know and who can ensure the confidentiality of my info, with my social security # especially if they know my address and phone #.
John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2770
06-23-2003 03:14 PM ET (US)
Oh, and BTW, folks way wish to truly investigate a message before passing "MESSAGE ON TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, FAMILY AND FRIENDS." Some of us already get enough spam everyday to have to contend with <G>.
John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2769
06-23-2003 03:09 PM ET (US)
Okay folks, before you go off thinking that every email you get or every post that occurs here on our site is true, please read the following concerning Ingrid's post:

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/optalrt.htm

Basically, it is a false understanding that the credit companies will release information to just anyone...so don't panic. Credit bureaus can release your credit information only to people with a legitimate business need, as recognized by the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA).

Luckily, the phone number on the email is the correct one top opt-out of presrcreened offers but the July 1 deadline does not require any consumer action.

Just thought you all should know...Ciao!
Mike Buhler  2768
06-23-2003 11:24 AM ET (US)
Ingrid,
thanks for the note on the credit bureaus. On the joke, I didn't get it - could it be because I used to be blond?
Ingrid Urich-Sass  2767
06-20-2003 12:55 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 06-20-2003 01:00 PM
Hola a todos. Recien regresamos de España, y me encontre con este e-mail que creo que es de interes para todos:
FYI

Just to remind you that personal information goes public starting July 1,
2003. The four major credit bureaus in the US (Equifax, etc.) will be
allowed to release credit info, mailing addresses, phone numbers, etc., to
ANYONE who requests it.

If you do not want to be included in this release of your personal
information, you can call 1-888-567-8688 to "opt-out".

Once the message starts you will want Option #2 (even though Option #1
refers to this email, push #2) and then Option #2.

Be sure to listen closely, the first option is only for a two-year period.
Make sure you wait until they prompt for the second option, which opts you
out forever.

You should receive their paperwork in the mail confirming the "opting out"
in less than one week after making the call.

PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, FAMILY AND FRIENDS.

And on a lighter note....
Buying A Bull

Two sisters, one blonde and one brunette, inherit the family
ranch. Unfortunately, after just a few years, they are in
financial trouble.  In order to keep the bank from repossessing
the ranch, they need to purchase a bull so that they can breed
their own stock.

The brunette balances their checkbook, then takes their last $600
dollars out west to another ranch where a man has a prize bull
for sale.

Upon leaving, she tells her sister, "When I get there, if I
decide to buy the bull, I'll contact you to drive out after me
and haul it home."

The brunette arrives at the man's ranch, inspects the bull, and
decides she does want to buy it. The man tells her that he can
sell it for $599, no less.  After paying him, she drives to the
nearest town to send her sister a telegram to tell her the news.

She walks into the telegraph office, and says, "I want to send a
telegram to my sister telling her that I've bought a bull for our
ranch.  I need her to hitch the trailer to our pickup truck and
drive out here so we can haul it home."

The telegraph operator explains that he'll be glad to help her,
then adds, "It's just 99 cents a word."

Well, after paying for the bull, the brunette only has $1 left.
She realizes that she'll only be able to send her sister one
word.

After thinking for a few minutes, she nods, and says, "I want you
to send her the word, 'comfortable.'"

The telegraph operator shakes his head. "How is she ever going to
know that you want her to hitch the trailer to your pickup truck
and drive out here to haul that bull back to your ranch if you
send her the word, 'comfortable'?"

The brunette explains, "My sister's blonde."


Saludos a todos!
Anacecilia  2766
06-18-2003 11:56 AM ET (US)
El fin de semana nos fuimos a Puerto Vallarta and on our way back, en el aeropuerto , we ran into Jodi and Javier. Actually it was Javier who spotted us. It was great. We spoke for like 20 minutes while their plane took off pero fue padrisimo. She was celebrating her big 4-0 and she looks just great!
DOMINIC  2765
06-17-2003 03:53 PM ET (US)
HECTOR: Nos vemos en ti fiesta, haber si no le dan sus nalgadas y te tienes que ir a su casa temprano.
Anacecilia  2764
06-09-2003 04:44 PM ET (US)
gracias a todos! Alex, la idea de 40 regalos es muy motivante! saludos y los veo en la fiesta de Hector!
Alex McGrath  2763
06-05-2003 11:26 AM ET (US)
Anacecilia, muchas felicidades! Cuentanos como superar la depre de los 40 a los que estamos por pasar por ese oscuro tunel.

Alex, congrats on your pocket baby! Hector, puestazos para tu fiesta en agosto.

Cindy, so you actually just went and bought an old Merc? That's the way to do it! You must look soooo classy in that car. It really helps to find people who have the same model to help you out on whatever problems you might have with it, through a local Mercedes club, the web, etc. Sure new cars are more reliable but there's something about old ones, soul maybe. And you're not surrounded by plastic either. New cars feel like you're driving a tupperware.
Alex Juarez "81"  2762
06-04-2003 11:24 AM ET (US)
Ana Ceci: Mil felicidades. Ya te uniste al club del cuarenton. VErdad que no esta mal? Ojala la hayas pasado bien.
Nosotros acabamos de regresar anoched de la playa en Puerto Peñasco o lo que aqui en Estados Unidos se conoce como Rocky Point. El pueblo en si es feo, pero nos quedamos en un lugar que se llama Sonoran Spa Resort en Sandy Beach que esta muy bien. Se los recomiendo.

Cindy: It was Loya's wife that had the baby girl. I don't think I could deal with another baby. Our 1 1/2 is giving us gray hairs.

Quien se va a animar a ir a la fiesta de Hector Hernandez en Mexico el 2 de agosto?

Saludos
Cindy PM  2761
06-04-2003 09:16 AM ET (US)
AnaCeci: Happy birthday! Hopefully you deal with it more gracefully then I did. This one hit me really hard. but I did two new things this year: I bought a 1970 Mercedes that has that nice old grill on the front. There is no CD player, and if you open the sunroof as you drive, it looses power, but I love it. The other thing I did was learn how to fly fish--something I never, ever, thought I would do. I just got back from Montana with Trent, and I must admit, I did enjoy putting on waders and getting out into chest high water (in the river) and looking at the beautiful Montana Rockies. When I got back, I had to paint my nails and put high heels on, just to make sure I got back into my own "onda". How are Julia and John?

Alex J: Felicidades! There was such a visual image I had when you said your daughter was so tiny she almost fit in your pocket!
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2760
06-02-2003 05:17 PM ET (US)
Alex, congratulations on your beautiful baby girl! :) You are one proud Papa! :)

Dominic, that's wonderful news! Angus can have a little sister to keep him company. August is a great month for a birthday. I remember stepping off the plane in Mexico, City on my 16th birthday, August 26, 1979! :)
Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2759
06-02-2003 05:07 PM ET (US)
Happy Birthday Anacecilia!!!
Anacecilia  2758
06-02-2003 04:39 PM ET (US)
Thurston, Muchas gracias!

Ingrid, como estuvo la pachanga? Pasatela padrisimo! Happy birthday . I woke up this morning, two days after the big day and I realized que ya no se siente tan gacho. como que el susto ya paso!
Thurston Hamer ´81  2757
05-31-2003 09:54 PM ET (US)
A gentle reminder to everyone.

Ana Ceci turns the big four OHHHHHHHHHH today.

felicidades! and welcome to the old geezer club.
Ingrid Urich-Sass  2756
05-30-2003 06:27 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 05-30-2003 06:28 PM
Alex Loya Y Dominic- Muchas felecidades!!!!! Les deseo mucha salud a todas y todos :)

It's sooooo hard for me to keep up with the chat. I read and read, but when it's time to write... I have to do something or other.
:(
Enfin, me da gusto de que sige andando bien.

I have been taking care of my chiquita who just finished getting over Chicken Pox. No le dio muy fuerte, pero hay que estar muy pendiente.

Who said the 40's suck?????? Yo igual que tu Anaceci me siento de 20.
:)
Yo los cumplo este 2 de Junio.
If you're in LA come to my pachanga!
Call me for details: 310-205-0659
It's this coming Sunday, June 1st.
:)

Nuevamente, mi visita fue de Dr., ya me voy
Slaudos a todos
Ingrid
Alex Loya  2755
05-27-2003 07:18 PM ET (US)
Gracias a todos por sus congratulaciones! Mi hijita esta absolutamente hermosisisisisisima! Chiquititititita, she almost fits in my shirt pocket! Gracias a ti, Ramon, por lo de mi pelicula, yo no se que honda con estos cuates que me llaman "ex" Hulk... aunque recientemente estaba viendo al Fresh Prince of Bell Air cuando derepente me di cuenta de que estaba descansando mi brazo, con el cual estaba sosteniendo mi Dr. Pepper, en mi panza! Imaginate, como si fuera un arm rest! Esto jamas me habia pasado! Back to the gym boyz!
Ramon Ricoy  2754
05-26-2003 07:50 PM ET (US)
Just in case you've had a rough day, here is a stress management technique that really works. It really does!!
1. Picture yourself near a stream.

2. Birds are softly chirping in the cool mountain air.

3. No one but you knows your secret place.

4. You are in total seclusion from the hectic place called "the world,"

5. The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a cascade of serenity.

6. The water is crystal clear.

7. You can easily make out the face of the person you're holding
underwater.

8. See! You're smiling already.
cheers
Héctor Hernández  2753
05-23-2003 09:50 PM ET (US)
Hola a todos, espero que esten bien.

Cada vez falta menos!!!!!
Les escribo para recordarles que todos están invitados a la gran pacahanga que estoy organizando el 2 de Agosto, en el Caballo Bayo.
Ya hay muchos confirmados como Alex Juárez, Anaceci, George, Ricardo Ortega, Craig, Thurston, Alejandra Alvarado, Alex Mc Grath, Dominic (si su bebe no nace ese fin de semana), Homero y alguno más.
Espero que todos puedan ir, mínimo los que viven aquí en México y si pueden viajar como Alex y Dominic, pues que mejor. Les dejo mi email para que me escriban para más detalles: hector@realidadamericanista.com

Estamos en contacto y ojalá y muchos vayan a la gran pachanga.

Dominic: que bueno que tu beba nace a fines de Agosto, así sí estaras aquí el sábado 2, para la fiesta.

Loya: muchas felicidades por el nuevo miembro en tu familia.

Ramón: ¿Recibiste mi confirmación?

Saludos a todos
Anacecilia  2752
05-23-2003 11:23 AM ET (US)
Gracias Dominic. I remember when 20 was OLD! Que bueno que vas a tener una ninia, son padrisimas!
Ramon Ricoy  2751
05-23-2003 11:03 AM ET (US)
Alex L: Estimado te mando un fuerte abrazo y te deseo larga vida y muchas felicidades. Por cierto, ya vi los previews de la pelicula IH y saliste muy bien.
Pominic: Que buena salida, siempre crei en tu creatividad, pero te llevast el premio. Como sabes en estoy en los licores y para sorpresa de todos en las estadisticas de consumo por tipo de consumidor, las mujeres en Mexico de 18-25 años en promedio estan bebiendo un 25% mas que los hombres y lo mas sorprendente es que toman shots y los hombres mezclan. Asi es que cuidado con las chiquitas.
DOMINIC  2750
05-21-2003 06:53 PM ET (US)
Anacecilia: Mandame lo que quieras a dominic@norbac3.com
Maggie y yo vamos a tener una niña a fines de Agosto.
The one who said the 40's suck was Pete Townsend from The WHO but that was when he was 20, now that he is 58 they don't seem so bad.

Ex-Hulk: Felicidades de tu nueva niña, espero que de grande sea rockanrolera y reventada para que se divierta.

McGrath: That is a weird request,but here it goes.
I spent Mothers day weekend in the Virgin Islands with my wife, my son Angus and my mother in law. On the night of friday the 9th we had a really nice dinner and everyone went to bed. After everyone was secured for the night, off I went to the local bar for a few coco locos and Tennant Beer.
At the bar I met these crazy chicks from Virginia that really impressed me as they were keeping up pretty good on the rum shooters and the beer chuggin. At about 2AM conversation went from sailing to scuba diving to Manchester United soccer team to Mothers day!
The first thing that went through my head was "Mañana es Motherssss o shit!" as I always celebrate mothers on the 10th. So it's 2:30 am and no where to get one of those $5.00 dollar mothers day cards and no one to buy roses from.
Back at the hotel room at about 3:30 am "pensandola" how a party night had turned into such a problem! Specially if you are married to a woman that still remembers back in 93 when I didn't give her a valentine's card and brings it up everytime she wants the Amex card, this is going to cost me!
I thought about hundreds of things and nothing seemed to be working, I couldn't sleep.
Anyway, at 7:00 am everyone was up and running when I told my wife we should go out for an early snorkel before anyone hit the beach and I insisted both Angus and my mother in law come along and hang out. So off we went to the beach and as we walked down the stairs you could read a drunken man writting on the sand "Feliz dia de las madres a la mejor mama y abuela del mundo, las quiero mucho" They both melted and started kissing my son as if he was the mastermind of this 5:00 am lunacy! I just smiled and daydreamed about a hammock.
Anacecilia  2749
05-21-2003 04:01 PM ET (US)
Alex L., felicidades! Me encanta que a estas "alturas del partido" sigamos teniendo noticias de nacimientos. Y ademas, totalmente de acuerdo con John M, momentos en la vida que no se vuelven a vivir. Dominic, tu tambien vas a ser papa otra vez? felicidades! Who said 40 sucks? (ok, I'm trying hard to prepare myself).
Alex Juarez "81"  2748
05-21-2003 11:38 AM ET (US)
Alex L.: Muchas felicidades en el nacimiento de tu niña. Espero tenga una vida de salud y bienestar. Muchas felicidades mi estimado ex-Hulk.
Homero Menchaca Falcon  2747
05-20-2003 05:35 PM ET (US)
Loya,
Much&#ED;simas felicidades por el nacimiento de tu hija. Que su llegada venga acompanada de bendiciones para toda tu familia.
John Maroney  2746
05-20-2003 04:58 PM ET (US)
Alex Loya; Congratulations. It is good that you were able to witness such a wonderful miracle in person rather than being away ministering to the troops. I realize that the Lord's calling is very important to you but nothing is more important than the birth of ones child. We wish your wife and family all the best.
Alex Loya  2745
05-20-2003 04:19 PM ET (US)
Hello hello! Announcing the birth of an absoulutely beautiful baby girl! Her name is Carissa Ruth Loya born in New Orleans yesterday Monday May 19, 2003 at 9:19 A.M. weighed 6lbs 9 ounces, measured 18 1/2 inches. She is gorgeous! Black hair, her skin is a really pretty soft lilly, milky white with a touch of soft pink (she really does look like a little flower!)her eyes, well, you know how babies' eyes are, they start off dark blue and then they go a number of different ways, so we'll see. She's got little bitty button lips and pink chubby cheeks. She is absolutely precious! I thought I would feel disappointed because I wanted another boy, but when she was born I felt nothing but joy! As soon as I held her, I lifted her up to the Lord and gave her back to Him who gave her to me! I couldn't care less that the doctors and nurses were all around. Lil' Alex, better known as Connor, and I are now permanently outnumbered by those of the female persuasion (even on the weekends Keenan is with us). I guess that when all the girls get older Alex and I will just have to go camping one week a month ( I hear it hits all women in a house at the same time). Anyway, I do believe this is our last one, I just wanted to let you all know.
Class of '83  2744
05-14-2003 01:43 PM ET (US)
URGENT MESSAGE----URGENT MESSAGE---URGENT MESSAGE

If you're thinking about joining us at our Cancun reunion, please call the hotel soon.

The hotel has high occupancy the dates of the group and will only hold our additional space until Thursday May 15.

If anyone is planning on attending and has not made a reservation please do so ASAP.

We look forward to seeing you in Cancun!
Héctor Hernández  2743
05-14-2003 11:04 AM ET (US)
Hola a todos, espero que esten bien.
Les escribo para recordarles que todos están invitados a la gran pacahanga que estoy organizando el 2 de Agosto, en el Caballo Bayo.
Ya hay muchos confirmados como Alex Juárez, Anaceci, George, Ricardo Ortega, Craig, Thurston, Alejandra Alvarado, Alex Mc Grath, Dominic (si su bebe no nace ese fin de semana), Homero y alguno más.
Espero que todos puedan ir, mínimo los que viven aquí en México y si pueden viajar como Alex y Dominic, pues que mejor. Les dejo mi email para que me escriban para más detalles: hector@realidadamericanista.com

Estamos en contacto y ojalá y muchos vayan a la gran pachanga.

PD: Dominic, felicidades por tus humildes, pero creo que ahora con el Santos van a perder.
Anacecilia  2742
05-13-2003 10:22 PM ET (US)
Gracias Mike, ahi te va!
Mike Buhler  2741
05-13-2003 05:05 PM ET (US)
Anacecilia: save me some wool! michel.buhler@nii.com
Anacecilia  2740
05-12-2003 11:50 AM ET (US)
Hola todos, oigan, despues de 3 anios, nada de RIP!
I've been reading old postings y veo que todos han recibido the big four oh very gracefully. Yo tenia un viaje planeado a Asia que por supuesto se cancelo. Asi que no me queda otra, para poderme preparar psicologicamente, que autoregalarme 40 regalos. John ha estado muy nervioso. I wonder why?

By the way Maria Warner sigue en Singapour pero esta bien.

Cindy, mi email es apvdlf@avantel.net .Asi que tu old hdrive had Outlook for dinner? mi nuevo xp had my old hardware for lunch! Que horror! Ahora resulta que todo, scanner, printer etc. es viejo! La que esta cumpliendo 40 soy yo no la maquina!

Dominic y Mike, ustedes que viajan mucho, estoy manejando un proyecto nuevo con el que te puedes ahorrar una lana al viajar. Les puedo mandar un mail?

saludos a todos,
Anaceci
Cindy PM  2739
05-12-2003 03:36 AM ET (US)
Does anyone out there have AnaCeci's email? Our old harddrive decided to have parts of our Outlook program for dinner!
Mike Buhler  2738
05-08-2003 10:43 AM ET (US)
Please take a note of my new email: michel.buhler@nii.com (same company, different name).
Alex McGrath  2737
05-08-2003 12:41 AM ET (US)
Ese chiste ya me dio hambre Homero. Se necesita a Loya hablando de los franceses para revivir este chat? I was thinking more of Dominic writing about Mother's Day. We hear you Dominic.
Homero Menchaca Falcon  2736
05-07-2003 10:44 AM ET (US)
A ver Loya... ah&#ED; te van algunas ideas para reflexionar...

>Dios pobl&#F3; la tierra con br&#F3;coli, coliflor y espinaca, vegetales verdes y
>a amarillos de todos los tipos, as&#ED; el Hombre y la Mujer vivir&#ED;an largas y
>saludables vidas.
>Y Satan&#E1;s cre&#F3; McDonald's. Y McDonald's trajo la hamburguesa doble con
>queso y tocino,
>Y Satan&#E1;s le dijo al Hombre: "&#BF;Quieres refresco?" Y el hombre dijo:"Lo
>quiero en vaso grande".
>Y el Hombre gan&#F3; kilos.
>Y Dios cre&#F3; el saludable yoghurt light para que la Mujer pueda mantener
>esa figura que el Hombre encuentra tan apropiada.
>Y Satan&#E1;s trajo el chocolate. HERSHEY&#B4;S la Mujer gan&#F3; kilos.
>Y Dios dijo: "Prueba mi fresca y apetitosa ensalada".
>Y Satan&#E1;s invent&#F3; muchos aderezos diferentes saturados en grasa, adem&#E1;s
>trajo los helados de crema.
>Y la Mujer gan&#F3; kilos. Y dijo Dios: "Les he enviado vegetales saludables y
>aceite de oliva para cocinarlos".
>Y Satan&#E1;s trajo el pollo frito KENTUCKY y empanizado.
>Y el Hombre gan&#F3; kilos y el colesterol malo se le fu&#E9; por las nubes. Y
>Dios entonces cre&#F3; los tenis NIKE para correr y el Hombre decidi&#F3; bajar
>todos esos kilos de m&#E1;s.
>Y Satan&#E1;s cre&#F3; entonces Direct TV y TV Cable con control remoto para que
>el hombre no tuviera que moverse para cambiar de un canal de deportes a
>otro.
>Y el Hombre gan&#F3; kilos. Y dijo Dios, "Me la est&#E1;s poniendo muy dif&#ED;cil,
>Satan&#E1;s!" Y Dios cre&#F3; la papa, un vegetal naturalmente bajo en grasa y
>lleno de nutrientes.
>Y Satan&#E1;s la pel&#F3; quit&#E1;ndole su saludable c&#E1;scara y saco tajaditas del
>centro lleno de almid&#F3;n y las puso a fre&#ED;r en aceite.
>Y las llamo SABRITAS y cre&#F3; adem&#E1;s la mayonesa y la salsa catsup y el
>queso derretido.
>Y el Hombre se apoder&#F3; de su control remoto y se comi&#F3; las papitas fritas
>forradas en colesterol.
>Y Satan&#E1;s dijo:"Eso est&#E1; bien". Y al Hombre le di&#F3; un ataque cardiaco.
>Y Dios suspir&#F3; profundamente y cre&#F3; la cu&#E1;druple cirug&#ED;a de puentes
>coronarias. fu&#E9; entonces cuando...
>Satan&#E1;s cre&#F3; el IMSS...
Alex Loya  2735
05-06-2003 08:58 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 05-06-2003 09:02 PM
Yeah, and every time they fight they loose! Los pobrecitos frenchies! No wonder they always surrender! They figure, what's the use? Like Arnold Shwartzenneger, when Jay Leno asked him how he dealt with his wife during marital fights, Shwartzennegger said,"I follow the lead of the French, I surrender!"

Isn't that the hight of ungratefulness? The first thing those Iraqis use their freedom for is to protest against the United States! Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

Anyway, here's a webssite for you all to check out while you sit here thinking of what to say on this chat, I'd like to hear (or read) your comments about it, any questions?:
http://www.gotlife.org
DOMINIC  2734
05-06-2003 01:48 PM ET (US)
The only one that can save this chat is Loya with another of his "moment of clarity" writings.
Loya, how about 5 de Mayo! if anything, it proves the French will fight once in a while, about every 200 years or so. I heard the people the US just liberated in Irak are sick of the US and want them out asap. Que paso?
Mike Buhler  2733
05-06-2003 11:00 AM ET (US)
RIP: this chat room.
Barbara EstradaPerson was signed in when posted  2732
04-30-2003 12:25 AM ET (US)
Hola a todos :)
There are a few items I'd like to address:

      
  1. Database Update

  2.   
  3. ASF 115th Anniversary
        Celebration

  4.   
  5. Class Notes for Focus
        on ASF
    .




1. Database Update
  
We are in the process of updating our alumni database in order to have more reliable information for the benefit of the Alumni Community as a whole.

Could you please send us your info in order to update your record?

Also, if you have any friends, cousins, siblings, etc. who are ASF Alumni, could you send us (ASF Alumni Office or Barbara Estrada) their info and / or forward this email to them?

The information we need is the following:

  • Graduating class

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  • Last name
        (Married name in parentheses)

  •   
  • First name

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  • Birthday (we WILL send you an e-card!)

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  • Home address:
        (No., Street, city, State, Zip, country)



  • Home phone


      
  • email address


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  • Website (if any)


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  • Work info:
      
          
  • Company


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  • Line of business

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  • Work address



          
  • Work phone No.

  • Family info:
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              <blockquote> /blockquote>
        


    Gracias!!!!!!!!!!
    Barbara Estrada'76
      Xenia Castro '96
      The Alumni Team
      alumni@asf.edu.mx
      estradab@asf.edu.mx


    2. The American School 115th Anniversary Homecoming Weekend
    When: May 16 - 19
      
    Activities: May 16 - Birthday cake for all of the ASF community (at School)

    May 17 - Family Fun day (on the School grounds)
    May 18 - Optional tours to Xochimilco or Teotihuacan
    May 19 - 115th Anniversary Golf Tournament.. for more info on this, please visit... ASF Golf Tournament.

    Take care and have a wonderful weekend!

    Barbara Estrada'76
    Xenia Castro '96
    The Alumni Team
    alumni@asf.edu.mx
    estradab@asf.edu.mx


    3. Class Notes for Focus on ASF

    We love to hear from you! (And so do the other 8000+ people who receive our magazine)
    Don't be shy, and let us all know how you're doing, what you're up to, any important events in your life, etc.


    Hope to hear from you soon :)


    The Alumni Team

    Barbara Estrada'76
    Xenia Castro '96
    The Alumni Team
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  • Alex Loya  2731
    04-29-2003 08:08 PM ET (US)
    Hello hello hello... is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me, is there anyone home?...
    DOMINIC  2730
    04-24-2003 03:00 PM ET (US)
    Thanks Alex and Mike, I have an article I need to send him.
    Mike Buhler  2729
    04-24-2003 01:27 PM ET (US)
    Dominic: El tel# de Francisco son los siguientes: +52 (33) 3641 7917 and his email: francisco@bolsa-inmobiliaria.com
    Alex McGrath  2728
    04-23-2003 10:11 PM ET (US)
    Dom, tengo Francisco@bolsa-inmobiliaria.com. Lo vi hace unos 8 meses y trabajaba con Mike desde Guadalajara. Pero no se nada reciente de el.
    DOMINIC  2727
    04-23-2003 04:35 PM ET (US)
    McGrath, ya le perdi la huella a Pancho, no tienes su mail?
    Georgina (Marquez) Black  2726
    04-19-2003 01:14 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 04-19-2003 01:16 PM
    Dominic: contacte a Victor. Nos vamos a juntar la proxima semana. Again, MIL GRACIAS!

    FYI: Julio Zamora is the proud dad of a 2nd baby girl: Valentina Zamora.
    Mike Buhler  2725
    04-16-2003 10:42 AM ET (US)
    Ramon: For BsAs, head to Puerto Madero. There is a steak restaurant called "Las lilas" (or something to thateffect). At today's exchange rate, you will eat and drink like a king for the price of Big Mac. I think Bauer's sister lived in BA.
    Alex Loya  2724
    04-12-2003 02:38 PM ET (US)
    Mike, yeah, I think you are right, that was fast, wasn't it? I read the Palestinians were asking themselves what went wrong in Iraq... I'll tell you what went wrong, we beat the daylights out of Saddam and his cronies! That's what went wrong!
    Georgina (Marquez) Black  2723
    04-10-2003 07:17 PM ET (US)
    Alex: Gracias por la felicitacion. Scott O si esta en NYC. Mi hermano Julio lo ve de vez en cuando (trabajaron juntos hace algun tiempo). Lo voy a tratar de contactar aunque Julio me ha dicho que le es dificil reunirse porque no vive en NYC, trabaja ahi y toma el tren todos los dias.

    Scott, Julio, Victor, y yo ... que buena onda...
    Georgina (Marquez) Black  2722
    04-10-2003 03:54 PM ET (US)
    Dominic: Mil gracias! Victor y yo fuimos amigos desde toda la vida. Le habia perdido la pista. I'll for sure write to him.

    Alex y Marivi: En cuanto hable con Julito le digo que lo mandan saludar. Esta muy bien. Tiene dos nenas. No conozco a su esposa pero tengo entendido que es muy linda. Espero conocerla pronto.
    Alex McGrath  2721
    04-10-2003 03:51 PM ET (US)
    Georgina, felicidades tía. Scott O. tambien esta en NY no? Pueden tener una buena reunion. I believe Julio Z. threatened to post something here one of these days.
    DOMINIC  2720
    04-10-2003 01:42 PM ET (US)
    El correo de victor flores es
    victor.flores@us.hsbc.com
    Alex Juarez "81"  2719
    04-10-2003 12:00 PM ET (US)
    Georgina: Victor Flores lives in NY. Maybe Julio has his number. Felicitame a tu hermano por su bebe.
    Ramon Ricoy  2718
    04-10-2003 11:56 AM ET (US)
    Mike: Going to Buenos Aires for Easter any good recomendations, anybody from AHS there?
    MariviPerson was signed in when posted  2717
    04-09-2003 09:14 PM ET (US)
    Georgina: Saludame a Julio Zamora. What is he up to? His Dad and my Mom were very close college friends at the UNAM.
    Georgina (Marquez) Black  2716
    04-09-2003 09:10 PM ET (US)
    I'll be in NYC April 21 -26. Other than Julio Zamora whom I hope to see, anyone from our class in that area?
    Mike Buhler  2715
    04-09-2003 05:49 PM ET (US)
    Alex, with the war going as quickly as it has, unless you are a muslim chaplain, you probably we won't be going over to Iraq.
    Alex Loya  2714
    04-08-2003 09:01 PM ET (US)
    Dominic, I personally watched the report on TV when Bush #1 was running against Clinton how, I think Barbar Walters, interviewed an American resident in Mexico City (probably from our AHS family) and asked her about the problem of overpopulation. The conclusion of the report, at the insistence of the American resident, that the Bush Administration was to blame for the overpopulation problem in Mexico City because it opposed distribution of condoms in schools and, if I remember, funds for condoms and abortion promotion in third world countries. I had to laugh out loud! By the way, how many French soldiers does it take to liberate Paris?... Give up? (I mean you, not the French)... none, we always do it for them!

    Homero, I think North KOrea is good! Hey, man, we can't save all the children of the world, but we can save some, and those we can we should.

    Cindy, I agree. I do hope rebuilding does follow and is succesful.
    Ramon Ricoy  2713
    04-08-2003 10:59 AM ET (US)
    Homero:
    Yes I think it is a "saldo" meant for Japan is there any lettering in Japanese? It will probably not happen again. unless.....
    DOMINIC  2712
    04-07-2003 06:03 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 04-07-2003 06:03 PM
    Homero: If you need help and we really concentrate on the job at hand, I think we can knock em out by next week.
    Homero Menchaca Falcon  2711
    04-07-2003 05:28 PM ET (US)
    well you got me thinking so i went home for lunch just to double check and well it seems some guy at soriana got himself with a huge moosehead inventory
    and they're trying to turn it into cash fast... it's the real thing... maybe the only thing i noticed is they're good till december 2003... well that should
    be enough time to get rid of them, eh?
    DOMINIC  2710
    04-07-2003 04:33 PM ET (US)
    Kelly: Thanks for your comments, some people just need a chill-pill!

    Homero: My amigo, if Moosehead is about $ 6.00 US a six pack in USA/Canada and only $2.50 US in Mexico it can only be one of two things:
    1. You are misreading the label, are you sure it's not Mosehead? In Mexico you can buy $135.00 dollar Oakleys shades for about $10.00 USD but you loose the letter L= Oakeys.

    2. Our friends in Tepito have gone so high-tech that they are processing contaminated Mexico City water and brewing a new type of Canadian-Mex Rocky Mountain High!

    La verdad, NPI
    Barbara EstradaPerson was signed in when posted  2709
    04-07-2003 11:53 AM ET (US)
    Hola a todos :)
    There are a few items I'd like to address:

        
    1. Database Update

    2.   
    3. ASF 115th Anniversary
          Celebration

    4.   
    5. Class Notes for Focus
          on ASF
      .




    1. Database Update
      
    We are in the process of updating our alumni database in order to have more reliable information for the benefit of the Alumni Community as a whole.

    Could you please send us your info in order to update your record?

    Also, if you have any friends, cousins, siblings, etc. who are ASF Alumni, could you send us (ASF Alumni Office or Barbara Estrada) their info and / or forward this email to them?

    The information we need is the following:

    • Graduating class

    •   
    • Last name
          (Married name in parentheses)

    •   
    • First name

    •   
    • Birthday (we WILL send you an e-card!)

    •   
    • Home address:
          (No., Street, city, State, Zip, country)



    • Home phone


        
    • email address


    •   
    • Website (if any)


    •   
    • Work info:
        
            
    • Company


    •       
    • Line of business

    •       
    • Position


    •       
    • Work address



            
    • Work phone No.

  • Family info:
    • Spouse
    • Children
              <blockquote> /blockquote>
        


    Gracias!!!!!!!!!!
    Barbara Estrada'76
      Xenia Castro '96
      The Alumni Team
      alumni@asf.edu.mx
      estradab@asf.edu.mx


    2. The American School 115th Anniversary Homecoming Weekend
    When: May 16 - 19
      
    Activities: May 16 - Birthday cake for all of the ASF community (at School)

    May 17 - Family Fun day (on the School grounds)
    May 18 - Optional tours to Xochimilco or Teotihuacan
    May 19 - 115th Anniversary Golf Tournament.. for more info on this, please visit... ASF Golf Tournament.

    Take care and have a wonderful weekend!

    Barbara Estrada'76
    Xenia Castro '96
    The Alumni Team
    alumni@asf.edu.mx
    estradab@asf.edu.mx


    3. Class Notes for Focus on ASF

    We love to hear from you! (And so do the other 8000+ people who receive our magazine)
    Don't be shy, and let us all know how you're doing, what you're up to, any important events in your life, etc.

    Our deadline for the June issue is Monday after Easter!

    Hope to hear from you soon :)


    The Alumni Team

    Barbara Estrada'76
    Xenia Castro '96
    The Alumni Team
    alumni@asf.edu.mx
  • Homero Menchaca Falcon  2708
    04-07-2003 10:54 AM ET (US)
    che dominic... salud! (it's monday!... the week's through)

    a ver. tu debes ser un master jedi en cuestiones de cheve.
    como es posible que en el super de monterrey esten vendiendo cheve canadiense
    moosehead a 25 pesos el sixto y las che's tekates en oferta cuestan 45! no, no est&#E1;n vencidas y compre un six y saben bien. hay truco?
    Ingrid Urich-Sass  2707
    04-07-2003 01:55 AM ET (US)
    Edited by author 04-07-2003 01:57 AM
    Hola a todos!
    Se me es tan dificil mantenerme en la computadora....a veces ni reviso mi e-mail. I guess I'm old fashioned and find talking on the phoe easier.
    It's nice to see the board has taken form
    :)

    My daughter Xanique is an adorable 18 months. She runs everywhere and she desperately wants to speek. It will take her longer since we have been exposing her to French, English and Spanish. Pobrecita.

    The new house is looking more like hjome :).
    So we are planing to give Xanique a sister/brother soon :)

    AnaCecilia- Tu como has estado? Como anda Julia? Ya encargaste otro(a)?

    Muchas felicidadez Georgina! My husband and I were in NY 2 weeks ago. De haber sabido le echaba una llamadita.
    :)

    I have been working with an Alumn from class of 1972, Craig ( no recuerdo su apellido) , and I have been in touch with Ximena (Class of 83 or 84.)

    I have been shooting the TV show called the West Wing, and I have tried to get together with Shelley Levin Biilik, but...to no avail :(
    I will keep trying, since she works at WB.

    I have a great power point definition of "porque se hace la guerra', but I was unable to atachit to this message board.
    If you would like to get it, send me an e-amil: ROTCERID@mac.com

    I'm happy to hear from all of you.
    :)
    Saludos,
    ingrid
    Georgina (Marquez) Black  2706
    04-05-2003 04:33 PM ET (US)
    Just a quick note: My brother Julio and his wife Irina are now parents. Their baby Sophia was born in NYC March 31st!
    Kelly Sherck Domnauer  2705
    04-04-2003 07:48 PM ET (US)
    Dominic - you are so damn funny...your e-mails always make me laugh. Thanks for keeping things "light"!!

    Mike - Yes, I sporatically keep in touch with Coach Babcock.
    Cindy Petrinovic Miller  2704
    04-04-2003 04:31 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 04-04-2003 05:05 PM
    Homero and Dominic: you have brought some great points about US history. I thought the following might interest some of you (it was printed in the Christian Science Monitor newspaper on 01/27/03)
    The US Record of regime change-
    American's justification for violent regime change has swung over the years from halting the spread of communism to stop ethnic cleansing and instilling democracy. Now their justification is to halt the spread of terrorism. Aside from post World War II success stories of overthrowing dictators in Germany, Japan, and Italy the "US record of intalling decocray is less than a 20% success rate. Enormous mass rebuilding costing billions and billions of dollars and follow through is required for success"
      While far from the only country that intervenes in other coutries' affairs, the US has a long histtory of seeking to change "unfriendly" goverments abroad. They include the following:
    1953 Iran (indirect covert) overthrow of Pres Mohammad Mossadegh. The US friendly Shah reigns unti Islamic's overthrow in 1979
    1954 Guatemala (indirect covert) CIA topples Prs. Jacobo Arbenz in favor of a military gov that surpresses opposition until democracy in 1986
    1960 Congo(indirect, covert)CIA/Belgian led group assasinate to remove the Soviet back African Nationalist Leader. The US puts in a corrupt dictatro Mobutu Seko whom rules for 32 years.
    1961 (indirect covert) After years of US backing of Fidel Castro, the US-backed invasion of the "Bay of Pigs" fails. The US attempted to topple Castro after he took over office and declared himself a Marxist. He is still in office
    1965 Dominican Republic (indirect,covert)Helps overthrow Prs. Juan Bosch and supports JOaquin Blaguer
    1973 Chile: (indirect covert) CIA supports overthrow of Marxist Pres. Allende and puts dictator Gen. Pinochet in power (later accused of multiple human rights violations)
    1983 Greneda- (direct military). Regan govt overthrows Prime Minister Bishop. and puts in a friendlier administration.
    1986 Phillipines (indirect,covert). The US helps oust Ferdinand Marcos and helps put in Corazon Aquino.
    1986 Libya (direct military) US bombs and attempts to remove Qaddafi. Two years later Libya is responsible for the bombing of the Pan Am Flight in Lockerbie
    1989 Panama (direct military) US Military Forces remove and arrest Gen. Noriega.from power.
    1992 Somalia (direct military) US leads a UN peacekeeping force, but fail at removing Gen Aidid.
    1994 Haiti: (direct military) Haiti.. US backs removal of a military regime in favor of a civilian goverment
    1999: Yugoslavia. US and Nato bomb and remove Milosevic, whom is accused of "ethinic" cleansing.
    2001 Afganistan. After removal of the Taliban, lawlessness and chaos still regin outside the capital, Kabul
                               CSM
    Lets hope that now that the US had invaded Irak and Afganistan it will follow through with rebuilding and reconstruction phase....if not this war will be useless because there are many Sadams, Qaddafi's, and Osama's out there.
    DOMINIC  2703
    04-04-2003 03:39 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 04-04-2003 03:39 PM
    Loya: This is getting interesting, who blammed the US for the overpopulation in Mexico City? Who are your sources ?
    Did US governments puncture condoms comming to Mexico?

    Regarding Yugoslavia: You are right about that one and it was the right thing that Bill Clinton did. But Bush is just trying to settle a old score between the Bush's and the Saddam's. What is insulting about this thing is they try to sell it to all Americans as if it were some type of concert tour "IRAK FREEDOM" brought tO you by CNN & DON KING PROMOTIONS.
    Last but not least: I have no bone with any of the US armed forces and I know ive toasted the armed forces and any other institution a lot more times than you have been to church. On that account, salud!
    Homero Menchaca Falcon  2702
    04-04-2003 01:37 PM ET (US)
    hey alex... so removing nasty dictators is the new american policy? that's a welcome change... they used to put 'em in place... remember pinochet??? ... well it's a long list anyway. I'm afraid you won't be back home in time for super bowl.... senor bush will need a catchy name for it......

    welcome to the "global liberation tour"... our next stops are....
    1. north korea
    2. libya
    3. liberia
    4. zimbabwe
    5. pakistan
    6. cuba
    7. myanmar
    8. equatorial guinea
    9. sudan
    10. zimbabwe
    11. syria
    12. laos
    13. turkmenistan
    14. belarus
    15. venezuela
    16. wanna try china???

    maybe you wanna skip #1 and go on first with the easy ones


    < replied-to message removed by QT >
    DOMINIC  2701
    04-04-2003 12:50 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 04-04-2003 12:54 PM
    Toño:
    I heard that fireworks are no longer used at Euro-disney because as soon as they go off, all the french immediately surrender!

    Marivi: I think part of the class of 81 is better suited for mixed drinks recepies. So let me be the first with a great spring time drink, TEQUILA JULIPS:

    First, you need to boil 1 cup of water with 1/2 cup of brown sugar.This will be your syrup
    Put as little or as much syrup as you like in your glass.
    Put 3-4 mint leaves in your glass.
    Fill the glass with crushed ice and pour as much of your favorite tequila (i recomend white tequila for this one). Pour a little extra syrup on top!

    ENJOY!
    Barbara EstradaPerson was signed in when posted  2700
    04-04-2003 12:45 PM ET (US)
    Hola a todos, otra vez :)

    Second item on the list:

     The American School 115th Anniversary Homecoming Weekend

    When: May 16 - 19

    Activities:

    May 16 - Birthday cake for all of the ASF community (at School)

    May 17 - Family Fun day (on the School grounds)

    May 18 - Optional tours to Xochimilco or Teotihuacan

    May 19 - 115th Anniversary Golf Tournament.. for more info on this, please visit... ASF Golf Tournament.

    Take care and have a wonderful weekend!

    Barbara Estrada'76
    Xenia Castro '96
    The Alumni Team

    alumni@asf.edu.mx
    estradab@asf.edu.mx
    Alex Loya  2699
    04-04-2003 12:29 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 04-04-2003 12:29 PM
    Marivi, the presence of American troops in Saudi Arabia is not forced, we are there with their full consent. If anything, Osama should target his own government. This brings up the question, if this foolish notion that this war is about oil, why not just take over Arab and Kuwaiti oil since our troops were already there?

    Dominic, consider your sources. Those who say the U.S. sold chemical weapons to Iraq are the same hate America, blame America first crowd, they are the same who did not peep one peep of complaint when Clinton bombed Yugoslavia without UN approval, or the pharmacy in Africa, they are the same crowd who blamed President Bush Sr. for the overpopulation in Mexico City (imagine that!). Dominic, I do believe you are believing an urban legend fostered by the ungrateful blame America first crowd who says they are all for life but couldn't care less that full term babies are cruely murdered as they come out of the birth canal. You must distinguish between an urban legend and facts. The fact is that the United States did not complain too much when Iraq used chemical weapons against the Iranian Army. Rumsfeld delivered to Saddam a weak "you shouldn't do this", but did not vigorously complain because Iran (remember the embassy) was a more vocal threat to the security of the United States. One thing is for sure, the United States has never given any dictator any chemical weapons for the purpose of killing babies and their mothers... Now go on, go enjoy your freedom and party with your drinking buddies and while you are at it stop blaming America first and instead offer at least a little thank you toast for the
    American fighting men who have put and are putting their lives on the line to preserve that freedom for you.
    Barbara EstradaPerson was signed in when posted  2698
    04-04-2003 12:28 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 04-04-2003 12:29 PM
    Hola a todos :)

    Just a couple of things...

    We are in the process of updating our alumni database in order to have more reliable information for the benefit of the Alumni Community as a whole.
     
    Could you please send us your info in order to update your record? Also, if you have any friends, cousins, siblings, etc. who are ASF Alumni, could you send us their info and / or forward this email to them?
     
    Thank you for your time :o)
     
    The Alumni Team
    Barbara Estrada'76
    Xenia Castro '96
     
    This is an email we've sent out to several alumni already:
     
     
     
    Hola a todos!
    Once again, I need to ask you all for your info update. You know how hard we're working here at the ASF to have a more reliable, updated database.

    The information we need is the following:

     Graduating class

    Last name

    (Married name in parentheses)

    First name

    Birthday (we WILL send you an e-card!)

    Home address:

    (No., Street, city, State, Zip, country)

    Home phone

    email address

    Website (if any)

    Work info:

    Company

    Line of business

    position

    Work address

    work phone No.

    Family info:

    Spouse

    Children


    Gracias!!!!!!!!!!

    Barbara Estrada'76

    Xenia Castro '96

    Alumni Relations
    Mike Buhler  2697
    04-03-2003 04:54 PM ET (US)
    Marivi, yum! The class of 80 really knows how to eat well!
    Marivi  2696
    04-03-2003 10:51 AM ET (US)
    Anyone out there like to cook? There are lots of new recipes posted by alumni on our recipe board.

    These include:

    Stuffed Grape Leaves with Meat (Mihshi Waraq Inab) - posted by Laurie Gabriel Bean '80

    Pozole - posted by Tennyson Florida '80

    Fresh Cream Truffles - posted by Karlo Flores '83

    Baked Garlic Appetizer - posted by Sue Mackintosh '80

    Black Bean Soup - posted by Laura Single '80

    Mole poblano - posted by Julio Marquez '80

    Berenjenas al escabeche - posted by Carmen Smith '80

    Salmon w/a soy and ginger glaze - posted by Marivi '83

    Enchiladas - posted by Lisa Valero (Mrs. Valero's daughter)

    Hungry yet?
    Mike Buhler  2695
    04-03-2003 10:37 AM ET (US)
    Kelly, do you still keep in contact with Coach Bab?
    DOMINIC  2694
    04-03-2003 10:29 AM ET (US)
    Loya: What do you think the US gave chemical weapons to Irak for?
    Kelly Sherck Domnauer  2693
    04-03-2003 08:31 AM ET (US)
    Pete Babcock was fired as the Hawk's General Manager..bummer! He looks a lot like his brother Rob. The team wasn't winning, so everyone knew it was coming...still too bad!
    Marivi  2692
    04-01-2003 08:51 PM ET (US)
    Unless you count the US military's continued presence in Saudi as "provocation" (I don't, but Osama and friends do.)
    Alex Loya  2691
    04-01-2003 08:48 PM ET (US)
    Thanks to all of you all for your kind words, i really do appreciate them. It's still up in the air, it's just a real possibility that I may end up in Iraq, specially if this war gets bogged down. But, I do believe God's biddings are His enablings, if He leads me there, I will trust that even there He is in full control, and that gives me confidence and peace. But thank you all for your kind words, I'll be sure to let you know when and if I do get deployed.

    Ramon, ha,ha,ha,ha! That was hilarious!

    Dominic, I do not think that is the purpose the U.S. gave Saddam chemicals for, to kill innocent children and women. He may have used them for that, but that is not what the U.S. gave them to him for.

    ??? No, I don't think this action will increase terorism, and their hatred of us will be there regardless. Remember, we have been attacked for 25 years without provocation, it is that now we are finally defending ourselves. Appeacement never works, it only works to enbolden the bully. If we failed to take this action after 9/11, they would get bolder and the attacks would get worse. Muslims do not respect weakness, they respect strength, failing to act now would cause more attacks later.

    Kelly, happy 40th! That'll be a lot of candles on your birthday cake! I will turn 40 April 22 too, so I'm with you!
    John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2690
    04-01-2003 07:35 PM ET (US)
    Well it finally happened...France joined IRAQ in the fight. Check out this CNN article: http://198.212.27.43
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2689
    03-31-2003 06:56 PM ET (US)
    Alex, your unquestioned faith and selflessness are admirable. Stay low, be safe, and get your ass back here as soon as possible! Don't worry about Dominic and the rest of us. We will continue to get drunk, look at porn and masturbate, and think of your devine prescence on the battlefield :) Seriously man, you play it cool over there, OK?
    DOMINIC  2688
    03-31-2003 06:23 PM ET (US)
    Loya: I WISH YOU THE BEST AND HOPEFULY YOU WILL COME HOME IN GOOD HEALTH, NEVER THE LESS,IT IS A FACT THE USA GAVE IRAK THE FIRST CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO BE USED ON INNOCENT CHILDREN AND WOMEN IN IRAN, WHO DESPITE THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, ARE EQUALLY INOCENT.
    IN THIS ATTACHMENT YOU CAN SEE OUR GOOD OLD FRIEND D. RUMSFIELD SHAKING HANDS WITH HIS EX-BUSINESS PARTNER SADDAM.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0212/S00074.htm
    Mike Buhler  2687
    03-31-2003 10:56 AM ET (US)
    Alex L., I am praying for you; I am especially impressed that you are willing to back up your convictions with, possibly, your life. God Speed..
    Kelly Sherck Domnauer  2686
    03-30-2003 10:02 PM ET (US)
    Jennifer Meaney just sent me an e-mail, and asked how to access our reunion photos. Is there a new web site for those? I can't find them.... xo
    Marivi  2685
    03-28-2003 09:37 PM ET (US)
    There was so much talk of food on the Class of '80 message board, that we decided to start a separate QuickTopic board just for AHS alumni recipes. Here's the link:

    http://www.quicktopic.com/20/H/jBKXmtDGYT4DR
    Ramon Ricoy  2684
    03-28-2003 09:00 PM ET (US)
    Loya: Chocolate milk is for Tequila and Beer drinkers on the next day with Pancakes.
    Alex McGrath  2683
    03-28-2003 08:45 PM ET (US)
    Loya, that's one courageous decision you and your wife are making there. Yes your kids need you but you're fighting so they can enjoy the freedom we've had thanks to others who have come before us. Generations who don't see war are rare and it's good you can fight at the enemy's turf before they destroy ours. I bet there are lots of boys and girls in the battlefield who are needing you already.

    "???" you can post your name. This isn't Iraq.
    ???  2682
    03-28-2003 07:47 PM ET (US)
    LOYA: Could it backfire and create MORE terrorism by planting seeds of hate among arab youth who hate US involvement in the region? Remember: One of the "reasons" Osama gave for 9/11 was the US's continued military presence in Saudi Arabia and its support for the Saudi dictatorial regime.
    DOMINIC  2681
    03-28-2003 05:30 PM ET (US)
    LOYA: IF THIS OPERATION IS TO MAKE SURE ME AND BUDDIES CAN PARTY HARDY, KICK THEIR ASS!!! BY THE WAY, THANKS.
    Alex Loya  2680
    03-28-2003 01:01 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 03-28-2003 01:03 PM
    Dominic, yup, I see very clearly! It's the business of helping a terribly opressed people be set free and of keeping our streets safe from further 9/11s so that you and your buddies can go get drunk without worrying about some fighter of infidels inflicting some terrible, violently shaking death on you with a nerve agent... and that without even a little "thank you" from you... ain't that nice!

    Ramon, what about chocolate milk? What does that say?
    Kelly Sherck Domnauer  2679
    03-28-2003 08:37 AM ET (US)
    Ramon - thanks! My beverage of choice is a fabulous glass of chardonnay...(though I wouldn't mind a nice cabana boy!)
    Ramon Ricoy  2678
    03-27-2003 10:29 PM ET (US)
    Kelly: so you get a better understanding of what you should drink:

    The Meanings Behind What People Drink.....

    Before you order a drink in public, you should read this!
    Seven New York City bartenders were asked if they could nail a woman's personality based on what she drinks. Though
    interviewed separately, they concurred on almost all counts.

    The results:

    Drink: Beer
    Personality: Causal, low-maintenance; down to earth.
    Your Approach: Challenge her to a game of pool.

    Drink: Blender Drinks
    Personality: Flaky, whiny, annoying; a pain in the ass.
    Your Approach: Avoid her, unless you want to be her cabana boy.

    Drink: Mixed Drinks
    Personality: Older, more refined, high maintenance, has very picky taste;knows EXACTLY what she wants.
    Your Approach: You won't have to approach her. If she's interested, she'll send YOU a drink.

    Drink: Wine (does not include White Zinfandel)
    Personality: Conservative and classy; sophisticated yet giggles.
    Your Approach: Tell her you love to travel and spend quiet evenings with friends.

    Drink: White Zinfandel
    Personality: Easy; thinks she is classy and sophisticated, actually, she has NO clue.
    Your Approach: Make her feel smarter than she is...this should be an easy target.

    Drink: Shots
    Personality: Likes to hang with frat-boy pals and looking to get totally drunk... and naked.
    Your Approach: Easiest hit in the joint. You have been blessed. Nothing to do but wait, however, be careful not to make her mad!

    Drink: Tequila
    No explanations required - everyone just KNOWS what happens there.

    THEN, there is the MALE addendum ---- The deal with guys is, as always, very simple and clear cut:

    Domestic Beer: He's poor and wants to get laid.
    Imported Beer: He likes good beer and wants to get laid.
    Wine: He is hoping that the wine will give him a sophisticated image tohelp him get laid.
    Whiskey: He doesn't give a damn about anything but getting laid.
    Tequila: He is thinking he has a chance with the toothless waitress.
    White Zinfandel: He's gay!
    Kelly Sherck Domnauer  2677
    03-27-2003 05:23 PM ET (US)
    Dwight - I'm SPEECHLESS! I WILL increase the beer and tequila...not sure about the others! :)
    DOMINIC  2676
    03-27-2003 05:20 PM ET (US)
    HOMERO: QUE BUENO QUE POR LO MENOS HAY ALGUNOS COMO TU QUE RASONAN BIEN LAS COSAS. LA GUERRA ES UN NEGOCIO MUY SUCIO Y SOLO LOS CUATES DE BUSH COMO DICK SE LLEVAN LOS CONTRATOS.

    LOYA: CAN'T YOU SEE THIS IS ONLY BUSINESS AND YOU ARE ONLY A PAWN?
    John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2675
    03-27-2003 03:13 PM ET (US)
    Alex, be careful with that type of talk when you're over there...you're a great candidate for "friendly" fire <g>.
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2674
    03-27-2003 02:35 PM ET (US)
    Kelly, drink lots of beer and tequila, increase intercourse and masturbation frequency, and don't forget to tell your AHS buds all about it!

    ....just kidding everyone :)
    Homero Menchaca Falcon  2673
    03-27-2003 12:29 PM ET (US)
    Jamas hubo una guerra buena o una paz mala.
                            - Benjamin Franklin
    Alex Loya  2672
    03-26-2003 07:45 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 03-26-2003 07:54 PM
    This is a great opportunity for all of us to check the condition of our own heart. The Bible teaches that "the wicked understand not judgement" Maybe I am wrong, but I have heard that Saddam does all kinds of gruesome repressive policies to keep the Iraqi people opressed. I heard that he tortures children infront of their parents by cutting their tongues and gauging their eyes out, I heard that, and saw pictures of, gruesome public hangings of tons of people in the streets, that he puts his political enemies under showers of acid to burn their skin off, that he gased thousands of his own citizens, that he puts his enemies through plastic shredders feet first, that his son rapes whoever he wants when he wants and non can stop him, that his son beats the feet of athletes who lost with canes till he brakes all their bones, that his son has placed loosing basketball players in rooms where they can't neither stand nor lay down or sit, that he attacked Iran and got his country in a war that cost about a million lives, that he attacked Kuwait and got his country in another war, that he has vowed to burn Israel and the United States. The list goes on and on of the atrocities that Saddam commits against his own people. Now, if you do not understand that his people need to be set free from that brutality and Saddam's regime needs to be removed, by force since he laughs at diplomacy, you do not understand judgement. Goodness, man! Inform yourselves of the atrocities and abuse Saddam perpetrates against the Iraqi people! How is it that you have no compassion on them? You think it is compassionate to leave the man in power till he dies so that his son, who is worse than he is, takes over? True, the United States did not enter WWII till a couple of years afterwards, should we have stayed out a couple of more years from Iraq and to let the atrocities continue as they did in WWII? While the Jews were being carried off to Auschwitz there were tens of thousands of peace protesters in Washington DC demanding that the U.S. stay out of WWII. Should we have stayed out of WWII or did we do the right thing by intervening and liberating the people from Auschwitz? Should we have stayed out of Iraq, or are we doing the right thing in liberating the people of Iraq from such a murderous, trecherous, repressive, monstrouos, torturous regime and dictator as Saddam? Check your own heart, if you can't understand that the right thing is to help those poor people and set them free by removing their tormentor from power, you can't understand judgement, and that should expose to yourself your own condition because "The wicked understand not judgement". Nobody wants war, I certainly don't, but sometimes it is necessary, and it is clear that this particular time it is absolutely necessary. If Saddam would fight courageously and clean, civilian casualties would be minimized tremendously.

    Mike, in my previous email I had originally visitied here to ask those of you who know the Lord and truly believe in prayer to pray for my family and I. I was sidetracked by the comments that made Bush into the bad guy when the worst his enemies could find was a DUI more than 25 years ago, which he paid legally not abusing his influential family, and that make us, our armed forces look like we are the ones who dress up as civilians and feign surrender to then open fire, or who use hospitals as military hubs. The blood of Iraqi civilians is on Saddam's head, he places his military equipment in civilian neighborhoods disregarding the life of his own people and attempting to abuse the decency of the American forces. At any rate, I got side tracked because of that. I wanted to ask those of you who truly do believe in the Lord and in prayer to lift my family and I in prayer because it is possible that I may be deployed to Iraq. I have gone through a process of becoming a chaplain in the U.S. Army for almost a year now. I finally completed the process. My accessioning board meets in April, April 15th I think. Well, breifly, chaplain officer school, during peace time, is only twice a year, in January and June, and it lasts 12 weeks. When you put in your application for active duty, they give you three choices as to when you want to go to chaplain school. They also ask you how many days you need notice from the moment they issue your orders till you are available for active duty, immediately, 10, 30 or 60 days. I had put down for my school choice June of '03 or January and June of '04. I had asked for either 10 or 30 days notice. Well, last week they sent me the application back for me to sign again, adjusted to "immediately", and the school choices to April, May and June of '03, shortened from 12 to 6 weeks. What this means is that if I am accessioned April 15 or 17, I could receive orders to immediately report for active duty and go to chaplain school by April 28, undergo 6 weeks instead of 12 weeks training so that I can be deployed. The psychological profile they gave me stated that "this individual (me) has good military bearing and is able to function in combat under stress". Mike, I did sign the papers and sent them back. What this means is that there is a real possiblity, on paper, that I may be deployed to the combat zone. Of course, the war may be over by then. I ask for the prayers of those of you who know how to pray and truly do believe, that the Lord would do His will, and that, if I am deployed, He would spare my life at least till my children are grown. I am encouraged by the fact that the Lord seems to confirm time and again that He is indeed calling me to be a military chaplain. Watch this, I began to pray for more confirmation because of the reality of this war and that I may be there. Well, a couple of Sundays ago I had to go to Fort Polk to preach to the soldiers as part of the process of interview. As I spoke to Chaplain (Col.) Carpenter, my interviewer, he says, asking about my name "Loya? Hey, I knew a Chaplain Loya! I served with him when we were stationed in Germany!" Also, almost twenty years ago when I joined the U.S. Marines I was not a Christian, and as I was sitting at the MEPS (Military Entrance Processing Station)some guy came up to me out of nowhere and handed me a little green Gideon's Bible. I carried that Bible into the service and then I became a Christian. Well, last week was the fourth and final time I went to the MEPS this time around. As I was sitting there, some guy came up to me out of nowhere and handed me a little Green Gideon's Bible exactly like the one somebody had given me almost twenty years ago when I first joined the military! It's like the Lord brought me in a big circle and is taking me back to where I started as a Christian! So, I believe pretty strongly I am called to be in the Army as a Chaplain, but, of course, if the accessioning board does not pick me all the little signs mean nothing. I have a lot of assets that would make me a good choice for the Army, but I have some that are not so desirable, like the fact that my credit was shot last year when the companies I was contracted with went out of business. So, we'll see. If I am accessioned, there is a real possibility I will be deployed, I would think that is why they had me sign the readjusted application. Anyway, war is hell, but sometimes evil has to be removed by the use of force and that is the right thing to do, who knows, maybe God is answering the prayer of people under tremendous opression to be set free, just as He set the Israeites free from Pharao three thousand years ago or so... "And conquer we must,when our cause it is just, and this be our motto, in God is our trust"
    Mike Buhler  2671
    03-26-2003 09:45 AM ET (US)
    Kelly: The trick to becoming forty is to never get there; instead count backwards like me. It's really refreshing to feel you are actually getting younger. In fact, maybe when I am 1 yr old I'll be wearing diapers and slobber all over myself again.
    Kelly Sherck Domnauer  2670
    03-25-2003 07:18 PM ET (US)
    I'm with you Mike. I was hoping none of this would come to be, but it's here. Now we need to be a nation united. Splitting hairs over whether or not we SHOULD have gone to war is not the issue at hand. I hope our troops believe that their country is behind them - not fighting and demonstrating on whether or not their efforts are valid.

    I read in the paper that half of the popular in Iraq is under the age of 18. With numbers like that, and the fact that civilians seem to be used as human shields, the tragic stories will continue. Let's all hope for a quick end to this...and maybe some world peace!!! Have a good one!

    (BTW - I have LESS than 30 days before I hit the big 4-0 that several of you have mentioned). Any tips from those of you who have already crossed over? :)
    Mike Buhler  2669
    03-25-2003 04:08 PM ET (US)
    Homero: Muy bien expuestos y acertados tus comentarios a Alex.
    Reality of War/FACT: why hide behind a pseudo name? To underscore the brutality of war and armies, I recommend you read Cien Años de Soledad by Gabriel Garcia Marques. Still, the article you mention could just as well have been written about the million or so that perished in the IRAQ/IRAN war, the Kurds who suffered chemical gas attacks, the ordinary Iraqies who have suffered at the hands of Saddam and, potentially, any future victims of an out of control and hateful regime. I did not want this war to happen, but now that we are in it, I support the coalition troops, and pray fervently for the a quick resolution of the conflict with as little loss of life as possible.
    Reality of War  2668
    03-24-2003 12:17 PM ET (US)
    This is the reality of war. We
                      bomb. They suffer

                      Veteran war reporter Robert Fisk
                      tours the Baghdad hospital to see
                      the wounded after a devastating
                      night of air strikes

                      23 March 2003
                      Donald Rumsfeld says the American attack on
                      Baghdad is "as targeted an air campaign as has ever
                      existed" but he should not try telling that to
                      five-year-old Doha Suheil. She looked at me
                      yesterday morning, drip feed attached to her nose, a
                      deep frown over her small face as she tried vainly to
                      move the left side of her body. The cruise missile that
                      exploded close to her home in the Radwaniyeh
                      suburb of Baghdad blasted shrapnel into her tiny legs
                      ­ they were bound up with gauze ­ and, far more
                      seriously, into her spine. Now she has lost all
                      movement in her left leg.
                      Her mother bends over the bed and straightens her
                      right leg which the little girl thrashes around outside
                      the blanket. Somehow, Doha's mother thinks that if
                      her child's two legs lie straight beside each other, her
                      daughter will recover from her paralysis. She was
                      the first of 101 patients brought to the
                      Al-Mustansaniya College Hospital after America's
                      blitz on the city began on Friday night. Seven other
                      members of her family were wounded in the same
                      cruise missile bombardment; the youngest, a
                      one-year-old baby, was being breastfed by her
                      mother at the time.
                      There is something sick, obscene about these
                      hospital visits. We bomb. They suffer. Then we turn
                      up and take pictures of their wounded children. The
                      Iraqi minister of health decides to hold an insufferable press conference outside the
                      wards to emphasise the "bestial" nature of the American attack. The Americans say
                      that they don't intend to hurt children. And Doha Suheil looks at me and the doctors for
                      reassurance, as if she will awake from this nightmare and move her left leg and feel no
                      more pain.
                      So let's forget, for a moment, the cheap propaganda of the regime and the equally
                      cheap moralising of Messrs Rumsfeld and Bush, and take a trip around the
                      Al-Mustansaniya College Hospital. For the reality of war is ultimately not about military
                      victory and defeat, or the lies about "coalition forces" which our "embedded" journalists
                      are now peddling about an invasion involving only the Americans, the British and a
                      handful of Australians. War, even when it has international legitimacy ­ which this war
                      does not ­ is primarily about suffering.
                      Take 50-year-old Amel Hassan, a peasant woman with tattoos on her arms and legs
                      but who now lies on her hospital bed with massive purple bruises on her shoulders ­
                      they are now twice their original size ­ who was on her way to visit her daughter
                      when the first American missile struck Baghdad. "I was just getting out of the taxi when
                      there was a big explosion and I fell down and found my blood everywhere," she told
                      me. "It was on my arms, my legs, my chest." Amel Hassan still has multiple shrapnel
                      wounds in her chest.
                      Her five-year-old daughter Wahed lies in the next bed, whimpering with pain. She had
                      climbed out of the taxi first and was almost at her aunt's front door when the explosion
                      cut her down. Her feet are still bleeding although the blood has clotted around her toes
                      and is staunched by the bandages on her ankles and lower legs. Two little boys are in
                      the next room. Sade Selim is 11; his brother Omar is 14. Both have shrapnel wounds to
                      their legs and chest.
                      Isra Riad is in the third room with almost identical injuries, in her case shrapnel wounds
                      to the legs as she ran in terror from her house into her garden as the blitz began. Imam
                      Ali is 23 and has multiple shrapnel wounds in her abdomen and lower bowel. Najla
                      Hussein Abbas still tries to cover her head with a black scarf but she cannot hide the
                      purple wounds to her legs. Multiple shrapnel wounds. After a while, "multiple shrapnel
                      wounds" sounds like a natural disease which, I suppose ­ among a people who have
                      suffered more than 20 years of war ­ it is.
                      And all this, I asked myself yesterday, was all this for 11 September 2001? All this was
                      to "strike back" at our attackers, albeit that Doha Suheil, Wahed Hassan and Imam Ali
                      have nothing ­ absolutely nothing ­ to do with those crimes against humanity, any more
                      than has the awful Saddam? Who decided, I wonder, that these children, these young
                      women, should suffer for 11 September?
                      Wars repeat themselves. Always, when "we" come to visit those we have bombed,
                      we have the same question. In Libya in 1986, I remember how American reporters
                      would repeatedly cross-question the wounded: had they perhaps been hit by shrapnel
                      from their own anti-aircraft fire? Again, in 1991, "we" asked the Iraqi wounded the
                      same question. And yesterday, a doctor found himself asked by a British radio reporter
                      – yes, you've guessed it – "Do you think, doctor, that some of these people could have
                      been hit by Iraqi anti-aircraft fire?"
                      Should we laugh or cry at this? Should we always blame "them" for their own
                      wounds? Certainly we should ask why those cruise missiles exploded where they did,
                      at least 320 in Baghdad alone, courtesy of the USS Kitty Hawk.
                      Isra Riad came from Sayadiyeh where there is a big military barracks. Najla Abbas's
                      home is in Risalleh where there are villas belonging to Saddam's family. The two small
                      Selim brothers live in Shirta Khamse where there is a store house for military vehicles.
                      But that's the whole problem. Targets are scattered across the city. The poor – and all
                      the wounded I saw yesterday were poor – live in cheap, sometimes wooden houses
                      that collapse under blast damage.
                      It is the same old story. If we make war – however much we blather on about our care
                      for civilians – we are going to kill and maim the innocent.
                      Dr Habib Al-Hezai, whose FRCS was gained at Edinburgh University, counted 101
                      patients of the total 207 wounded in the raids in his hospital alone, of whom 85 were
                      civilians – 20 of them women and six of them children – and 16 soldiers. A young man
                      and a child of 12 had died under surgery. No one will say how many soldiers were
                      killed during the actual attack.
                      Driving across Baghdad yesterday was an eerie experience. The targets were indeed
                      carefully selected even though their destruction inevitably struck the innocent. There
                      was one presidential palace I saw with 40ft high statues of the Arab warrior
                      Salaheddin in each corner – the face of each was, of course, that of Saddam – and,
                      neatly in between, a great black hole gouged into the façade of the building. The
                      ministry of air weapons production was pulverised, a massive heap of pre-stressed
                      concrete and rubble.
                      But outside, at the gate, there were two sandbag emplacements with smartly dressed
                      Iraqi soldiers, rifles over the parapet, still ready to defend their ministry from the enemy
                      which had already destroyed it.
                      The morning traffic built up on the roads beside the Tigris. No driver looked too hard at
                      the Republican Palace on the other side of the river nor the smouldering ministry of
                      armaments procurement. They burned for 12 hours after the first missile strikes. It was
                      as if burning palaces and blazing ministries and piles of smoking rubble were a normal
                      part of daily Baghdad life. But then again, no one under the present regime would want
                      to spend too long looking at such things, would they?
                      And Iraqis have noticed what all this means. In 1991, the Americans struck the
                      refineries, the electricity grid, the water pipes, communications. But yesterday,
                      Baghdad could still function. The landline telephones worked; the internet operated; the
                      electrical power was at full capacity; the bridges over the Tigris remained unbombed.
                      Because, of course, when – "if" is still a sensitive phrase these days – the Americans
                      get here, they will need a working communications system, electricity, transport. What
                      has been spared is not a gift to the Iraqi people: it is for the benefit of Iraq's supposed
                      new masters.
                      The Iraq daily newspaper emerged yesterday with an edition of just four pages, a
                      clutch of articles on the "steadfastness" of the nation – steadfastness in Arabic is
                      soummoud, the same name as the missile that Iraq partially destroyed before Bush
                      forced the UN inspectors to leave by going to war – and a headline which read
                      "President: Victory will come [sic] in Iraqi hands".
                      Again, there has been no attempt by the US to destroy the television facilities because
                      they presumably want to use them on arrival. During the bombing on Friday night, an
                      Iraqi general appeared live on television to reassure the nation of victory. As he spoke,
                      the blast waves from cruise missile explosions blew in the curtains behind him and
                      shook the television camera.
                      So where does all this lead us? In the early hours of yesterday morning, I looked
                      across the Tigris at the funeral pyre of the Republican Palace and the colonnaded
                      ministry beside it. There were beacons of fire across Baghdad and the sky was
                      lowering with smoke, the buttressed, rampart-like palace – sheets of flame soaring
                      from its walls – looked like a medieval castle ablaze; Tsesiphon destroyed,
                      Mesopotamia at the moment of its destruction as it has been seen for many times over
                      so many thousands of years.
                      Xenophon struck south of here, Alexander to the north. The Mongols sacked Baghdad.
                      The caliphs came. And then the Ottomans and then the British. All departed. Now come
                      the Americans. It's not about legitimacy. It's about something much more seductive,
                      something Saddam himself understands all too well, a special kind of power, the same
                      power that every conqueror of Iraq wished to demonstrate as he smashed his way
                      into the land of this ancient civilisation.
                      Yesterday afternoon the Iraqis lit massive fires of oil around the city of Baghdad in the
                      hope of misleading the guidance system of the cruise missiles. Smoke against
                      computers. The air-raid sirens began to howl again just after 3.20pm London time,
                      followed by the utterly predictable sound of explosions.
    Homero Menchaca Falcon  2667
    03-24-2003 11:56 AM ET (US)
    Te pasaste Alex. De veras que el tal Bush Junior te vendio muy bien el rollo de que los que no estan con el est&#E1;n contra el. El clasico blanco o negro. Ahora resulta que oponerse a la locura de la guerra es apoyar al Saddam. No la jodas.
    Y tambien ya estuvo bueno de tirarle mala onda a los franceses nada mas porque se permiten
    pensar diferente. El argumento que empleas es debil. Tan debil que cualquier franchute (y ellos si tienen memoria historica) te recordaria que la independencia
    de los EEUU fue apoyada en su momento por ellos. Podria ser discutible que tan determinante
    y desinteresado fue ese apoyo, pero apoyo al fin, eh.
    Ah, y tambien te recordara que ese magnifico simbolo de la libertad y la esperanza que
    esta parada en una islita de NYC, la estatua de la libertad, nacio en francia y llego
    como regalo de esa nacion a la que hoy tanto rencor le guardas.
    Es muy facil predicar la guerra cuando es en otro pais y son otros los que se mueren y
    despues uno se va a casa a cenar con sus hijos y a continuar con su vida.
    -----Mensaje original-----
    De: QT - Alex Loya [1] Enviado el: Jueves, 20 de Marzo de 2003 10:42 p.m.
    Para: hmenchaca@gan.com.mx
    Asunto: AHS Class of '81


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    Fact...  2666
    03-21-2003 09:34 AM ET (US)
    That's right, Antonio.

    People forget that the United States did not enter the Second World War to save the UK and France; it left them to fight it alone for TWO YEARS!

    Many Europeans suspect that if it weren't for Pearl Harbor, the US might have been content to sit on the sidelines and watch Europe go down.

    Just bear that in mind when judging the French.
    Antonio IniguezPerson was signed in when posted  2665
    03-21-2003 03:29 AM ET (US)
    Nice writing Alex, really talking like the good christian you are...

    I am surprised that a PHD shows such a narrow perspective on the real issues at hand...

    I recommend you instruct yourself a little (more)...

    For starters...

    -Get the transcript of the speech of UK parliament leader Robin Cook when quitting due to this issue...you might be enlightened for real this time...

    -Learn the voting rules and procedures of the Security Council...a "no" vote is never a "veto" until you have 9 "yes" votes...it was not possible for the USA and UK to have their expected 9 "yes" votes since the key last 2 votes, vote 8 and vote 9, where of...guess who???...not France, Germany, Russia, or China...

    THE VOTES 8 AND 9 WHERE FROM MEXICO AND CHILE!!!!!!!! WHO PROMISED A "NO"!!!! EVEN AGAINST THE INCREDIBLE ECONOMIC SANCTIONS THREATENED BY THE USA GOV'T!!!!! (what? you did not hear about how the USA gov't was threatening Mexico and Chile????)

    -Ah, and yes...read (rather analyse) some II World War history...not after the USA joined nor the blessed good results of their joining... but the years before...(when they were refusing to join!!!! and all their manipulations prior) sounds familiar????

    And by the way...your first comment, it is an old joke used by the lowest class soldiers here in Europe to defend themselves when bothered since they do not have any intelligent thing to say back...it is below you...please...

    Oh, and the "bloody sacrifice America made..."...it is not "America" it is the "USA"...the "U" "S" "A" which is a country...America is a continent, "America" is a word which the US government has used for decades now to use linguistic diplomatic manipulation to remind every other country in the world that "AMERICA" as a continent is their territory...

    By the way...do not dare come back with the "I already knew that...I just was trying to initiate some debate..." If you knew it already you would not insult your intelligence with postings like those...

    Plus, the...you know never mind the more I read your posting the more I regret reading it...I do not have the time...
    John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2664
    03-20-2003 11:43 PM ET (US)
    Hey Alex, what happened? I thought you were going out there as well? Didn't you get the calling?
    Alex Loya  2663
    03-20-2003 11:42 PM ET (US)
    All I will say about the French is... if it wasn't for us, they would be speaking German today! The graves of thousands of American soldiers in Normandy speak of the bloody sacrifice America made for them,and now they stand by Saddam as if he was the liberator of France. An all these
    anti-defense protesters have no regard for human life, since they would rather perpetrate the ruthless opression of the Iraqi people by Saddam than support the end of the sick torture he inflicts on his own citizens. I suppose its easy for all those anti-defense crowds to burn American flags in favor of Saddam, it was not they who were attacked on their soil on 9/11. Peace is no peace at the price of chains, slavery and fear, and these anti-defense punks should be ashamed that their freedom to protest has been bought with the blood and sacrifice of the American fighting man. Thats all I have to say.
    Rebeca Sato  2662
    03-20-2003 06:32 PM ET (US)
    I have posted more pictures.

    Please take a look at Isauro!


    http://www.asfalumni.com/vb/index.php

    under Reunion Photos, Polar Bear Swim Vancouver 2003
    Anacecilia  2661
    03-19-2003 09:56 PM ET (US)
    George and Cindy happppppy four oh !!! I can't even come out and say it! De veras no duele? Tambien fue el de David Litchi el dia 7 y dice que no estuvo tan mal. George, porque no nos avisaste? We were in S.F. last month and I concentrated on buying things for Julia's third party, although it will be John's turn and mine this year. Lo unico que me compre fueron unas paletitas que dicen "fourty sucks".

    Me acaba de decir John que esta guerra ya empezo. God bless everybody.

    Alex. La ultima vez que Hector hizo una disco party, we danced until I literally dropped (and broke my arm). De todos modos John y yo esperamos si ir.

    Alex McG. LOL
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2660
    03-19-2003 04:57 PM ET (US)
    DUDES!!! SADDAM IS HIDING ET!!!!

    Now it all makes sense!
    Alex Juarez  2659
    03-19-2003 10:56 AM ET (US)
    Dominic: Ni hablar, el Cruz Azul merecio ganar el juego. Los Pumas no hubieran podido meter un gol aun y si la porteria estuviese vacia.

    Happy B-Day to all those that just turned 40.
    Salud.......

    Ana Ceci: Are we going to have the reunion that Hector Hernandez has been talking about on July 26 in Mexico City?
    Alguien se apunta?

    Saludos
    Antonio IniguezPerson was signed in when posted  2658
    03-19-2003 02:15 AM ET (US)
    Holy Sh.t!!! How did I miss that one!!!
    Alex McGrath  2657
    03-18-2003 11:43 PM ET (US)
    Ah, finally, the REAL reason behind the war. Nothing to do with WMD or oil:

    Rumors of alien technology persist. By Hal McKenzie

    With war in Iraq looming, the news networks have been full of stories about the high-tech weapons the United States will use against the forces of Saddam Hussein, from "smart" bombs to pilotless aircraft to electromagnetic pulse weapons. If persistent rumors are true, much of the technology behind this futuristic weaponry was obtained from alien spacecraft held by the U.S. government in secret laboratories and bases.
    The Russian newspaper Pravda treats this rumor as an established fact. The Jan. 1 English-language edition reports that Saddam Hussein even has his own crashed saucer, creating an "alien technology" race with the United States.
    "On December 16, 1998 … a video clip aired on CNN showed a UFO hovering over Baghdad; it moved away to avoid a stream of tracer anti-aircraft fire. At that time we all thought it was another UFO sighting, although captured on videotape. But now, ufologists think it was much more than a mere incident," Pravda reports.
    "Jack Sarfatti reported that Friday evening, December 6, 2002, 'someone called the Art Bell radio show, claimed his connection with the military and informed that a UFO crashed in Iraq several years ago. The USA is currently searching for any pretext to invade Iraq. In fact, the USA is motivated by the greatest fear that Saddam will reverse-engineer the crashed alien spacecraft.'" Pravda adds, "The USA is currently reverse-engineering the Roswell craft and fears that Saddam's scientists may become even more successful ..." ...
    DOMINIC  2656
    03-17-2003 05:22 PM ET (US)
    QUE PASO MI ESTIMADO ALEX JUAREZ CON TUS PUMAS??
    CON PUROS DE LA BANCA Y DE PRIMERA A
    LA VERDAD,OJALA ESTE SEA UN EJEMPLO PARA TODOS LOS
    JUGADORES QUE SE DEDICAN A COBRAR UNA LANOTA Y JUGAR COMO
    PRIMADONAS.
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2655
    03-14-2003 04:07 PM ET (US)
    Antonio, thanks for the non-partisan outside view on the French bashing thing. The way the stupid ass southern Ohio rednecks are acting around here, you'd think we're at war with France! I've been poking a little fun at the French, but going to the point of boycotting their goods and launching all this prejudice hate talk is taking it a little too far.
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2654
    03-14-2003 04:01 PM ET (US)
    Ramon, as far as human fluid sample collection, I DON'T collect semen from humans. Some of my coworkers do though, and have to work up the samples, make sperm counts, and do other bioassay tests. Never asked them how it smells. Now I have had to work with saliva, urine, and blood on various studies, but I don't do tox research these days. The closest I get to working with humans is sticking electrodes and sensors on their bodies.
    Ramon Ricoy  2653
    03-14-2003 12:21 PM ET (US)
    Dwight: you have not mentioned anything about smell, when collecting. Tell me about the human samples collecting.
    Alex McGrath  2652
    03-14-2003 11:31 AM ET (US)
    Happy birthday George and Toño. To use Dwight's terminology, may this be yet another Year of the Boar and may your Year of the Rabbit never arrive. Ramón, that court thing you allegedly posted was too real.
    Antonio IniguezPerson was signed in when posted  2651
    03-14-2003 03:18 AM ET (US)
    Well...Dominic...what can I say...
    French fries or freedom fries are actually Belgian, so French people just smile about it...Restaurants sending wine down the drain is pretty stupid, the vines have nothing to do with it and by doing that the price of good wine increases, so French people smile about it...a year ago Chirac was on the line, if he was not elected president he risked on being send to court for doubtful maneuvers and becoming a criminal, he is a president now since the other choice was an "extreme right" asshole, now he is a candidate for the Nobel Peace prize, so French people think it is ridiculous...Every evening we have a program called "Les Guignols de la Tele" where puppets make fun of all types of news and even before his election, Bush is one principle character, they call him "W" ("double u", just like that in English) and a Sylvester Stallone (dressed either in Rambo style or CIA/Secret Service style) puppet is his main aid, pretty funny stuff...Regarding French poodles, well, I do not like the yapping little buggers anyways...Mc Donald's is packed as always...Last Sunday I went to Disneyland in Paris and it was PACKED as always...No one likes Saddam around here (at ALL) but no one appreciates the temper tantrum of "W" either trying to push everyone into his little caprice, sending his pitbull Powell everywhere (I like the guy very much but he is not looking very good lately thanks to the Bush dynasty's errands), Condoleeza Rice (repeating everything she is told to say) and Rumsfeld's attitude (Tony Blair is very grateful that Rumsfeld said the US would go ahead with or without the UK, it is the type of verbal support Blair needs right now with all his political problems)...and the "axes of evil" are everywhere not only in Irak, plus people do not like all the linguistic manipulations of the white house, French people have enough of those here...everyone knows here that this is a "business" war not a "freedom" war and that American presidents typically use wars to increase their popularity for re-election, maintain their party in power or revamp the economy (so here, Bush is trying to bat 1.00)...

    so, I guess what I am trying to say is...

    "Business as usual, Dominic, business as usual."
    Homero Menchaca Falcon  2650
    03-14-2003 02:42 AM ET (US)
    Dominic,
    Funny, I thought french fries originated in Belgium...

    What about french kissing? Let's try the new all american freedom kissing style...
    Funny how it doesn't convey the same passionate feeling



    -----Mensaje original-----
    De: QT - John M.Bauer
    [1]
    Enviado el: Jueves, 13 de Marzo de 2003 03:50 p.m.
    Para: hmenchaca@gan.com.mx
    Asunto: AHS Class of '81


    < replied-to message removed by QT >
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2649
    03-13-2003 08:38 PM ET (US)
    DUDES and DUDETTES!!! Kevin Chubb has beamed in on the '80 Tablita site! Let's give him a big ole welcome!

    YEA, And I heard French dressing is being used to lubricate the AV's I talked about earlier. Makes it easier for sample collection!
    John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2648
    03-13-2003 04:50 PM ET (US)
    George and Antonio, happy b-day! Don't worry, not much of a climb back out.

    Dominic, those dogs were annoying anyway. I think it started in Montana <g>.
    DOMINIC  2647
    03-13-2003 03:57 PM ET (US)
    ANTONIO:
    ARE THEY SELLING FREEDOM FRIES THESE DAYS IN PARIS?
    SOME CLOWNS IN DC CHANGED THE NAME FROM FRENCH FRIES TO FREEDOM FRIES AT SOME MILITARY PLACE IN DC YESTERDAY.
    IT IS ALSO REPORTED SEVERAL FRENCH POODLES HAVE BEEN FOUND SHOT THROUGH OUT THE US.
    I HEARD THE FRENCH ARE BOYCOTTING Mc DONALD'S, IS IT TRUE?
    THE FUNNY THING IS THEY CALL SAADAM A MADMAN.
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2646
    03-13-2003 03:56 PM ET (US)
    Happy 4-0 George! My wife joins you this Saturday. I may be one of the last in our class to hit it. My B-day is August 26. It'll probably be just like any other day to me, at least physically. Mentally, I'm still the immature guero I was at AHS :)

    Antonio, yea I thought this board needed some recuscitation :)
    Ramon Ricoy  2645
    03-13-2003 03:21 PM ET (US)
    Sorry! I could not resist again, but you know I do it because I am thinking of all of you.
    Dedicated to all lawyers.
    >These are things people - allegedly - actually said in court,
    >word for word, taken down and now published by court reporters.
    >How did they keep from laughing while these were all taking place?
    >_____________________________________________
    >Judge: "Well, Sir, I have reviewed this case and I've decided
    >to give your wife $775 a week."
    >Husband: "That's fair, your honor. I'll try to send her a few bucks
    >myself
    >" ______________________________________________
    >Q: What is your date of birth?
    >A: July fifteenth.
    >Q: What year?
    >A: Every year
    >______________________________________________
    >Q: What gear were you in at moment of the impact?
    >A: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.
    >______________________________________________
    >Q: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?
    >A: Yes.
    >Q: And in what ways does it affect your memory?
    >A: I forget.
    >Q: You forget. Can you give us an example of something you've
    forgotten?
    >______________________________________________
    >Q: How old is your son, the one living with you?
    >A: Thirty-eight or thirty-five, I can't remember which.
    >Q: How long has he lived with you?
    >A: Forty-five years.
    >______________________________________________
    >Q: What was the first thing your husband said to you when he woke up
    >that morning?
    >A: He said, "Where am I, Cathy?"
    >Q: And why did that upset you?
    >A: My name is Susan.
    >______________________________________________
    >Q: And where was the location of the accident?
    >A: Approximately milepost 499.
    >Q: And where is milepost 499?
    >A: Probably between milepost 498 and 500.
    >______________________________________________
    >Q: Sir, what is your IQ?
    >A: Well, I can see pretty well, I think.
    >______________________________________________
    >Q: Did you blow your horn or anything?
    >A: After the accident?
    >Q: Before the accident.
    >A: Sure, I played for 10 years. I even went to school for it.
    >______________________________________________
    >Q: Trooper, when you stopped the defendant, were your red and blue
    >lights flashing?
    >A: Yes.
    >Q: Did the defendant say anything when she got out of her car?
    >A: Yes, sir.
    >Q: What did she say?
    >A: What disco am I at?
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep, he
    >doesn't know about it until the next morning?
    >A: Would you repeat that question, please?
    >______________________________________________
    >Q: The youngest son, the 20-year old, how old is he?
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: Were you present when your picture was taken?
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: So the date of conception of (the baby) was August 8th?
    >A: Yes.
    >Q: And what were you doing at that time?
    >A: I resent that question.
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: She had three children, right?
    >A: Yes.
    >Q: How many were boys?
    >A: None.
    >Q: Were there any girls?
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: You say the stairs went down to the basement?
    >A: Yes.
    >Q: And these stairs, did they go up also?
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: How was your first marriage terminated?
    >A: By death.
    >Q: And by whose death was it terminated?
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: Can you describe the individual?
    >A: He was about medium height and had a beard.
    >Q: Was this a male or a female?
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition that
    I
    >sent to your attorney?
    >A: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people?
    >A: All my autopsies are performed on dead people.
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: All your responses must be oral, OK?
    >A: OK.
    >Q: What school did you go to?
    >A: Oral.
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?
    >A: The autopsy started around 8:30 p. m.
    >Q: And Mr.. Dennington was dead at the time?
    >A: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing an
    autopsy on
    >him.
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?
    >_______________________________________________
    >Q: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for pulse?
    >A: No.
    >Q: Did you check for blood pressure?
    >A: No.
    >Q: Did you check for breathing?
    >A: No.
    >Q: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began
    the
    >autopsy?
    >A: No.
    >Q: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
    >A: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
    >Q: But could the patient have still been alive nevertheless?
    >A: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing
    law
    >somewhere.
    Antonio IniguezPerson was signed in when posted  2644
    03-13-2003 02:20 AM ET (US)
    Cindy: deep down I know I am a month away from a pit 40 meters deep...even if I want to play it cool and keep on smiling at THAT! stupid question.
    Ramon: Super tu mensaje...
    Antonio IniguezPerson was signed in when posted  2643
    03-13-2003 02:13 AM ET (US)
    Well, I just have to say that Dwight's introduction into this message board has stirred up the dormant opinionated attitude of this class...
    George S. OrtesPerson was signed in when posted  2642
    03-12-2003 08:14 PM ET (US)
    Cindy: Just turned 40 Yesterday. No problems on this side. A lot of people remembered. Made me feel very special. Keep up the hope. If the girl is still there. She's for you.

    I was at Texas A&M. I always knew something fishy was going on at the animal husbandry building. Now I know what.
    John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2641
    03-12-2003 01:01 PM ET (US)
    Dwight, I guess monkey see, monkey do works wonders in the lab!
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2640
    03-12-2003 12:54 PM ET (US)
    Cindy, zoology, but we don't do animal research anymore with your tax dollars. Our animal research facility was closed about 7 years ago due to lack of funding. Fortunately we had many years of good research, which has contributed to our knowledge of toxicology and has led to workplace protection standards. We play with humans now, but they're dirtier and meaner, and not as fun to play with as the animals. But don't interpret that as related to my earlier post. My area of research is in musculoskeletal disorders, specifically low back pain associated with lifting jobs. I have a 3D motion capture lab where we simulate human postures and lifting tasks. We calculate spine forces, fatigue, and other ergonomic analyses.

    Oh, yea, I forgot to mention that we used to electro-ejaculate primates too! I'll spare you the details, but I will say that some of the Macacus cynomologus became quite at ease with the procedure. They'd practically walk from the cage to the chair with no restraints.
    Cindy Petrinovic Miller  2639
    03-12-2003 09:06 AM ET (US)
    Kelly: I couldn't agree with you more! I have been feeling as if I was stuck in the boy's locker room overhearing a conversation--I did bust out laughing in between turning quite red.
    Dwight:my tax dollars went for you to "beep" rabbits for the government? What kind of BS degree does one get in order to get paid to do that?
    Ramon: I loved your column!
    John B: I am not sure when we will "cross the pond" and travel through the armpit of the former Soviet Union. I have been told so many conflicting things, I am pretty frustrated. I do know that the little girl is alive, they have "kept" her at the same orphanage, and her parents rights have been relinquished. We were told anywhere from June through next Jan. Thanks for the BD wishes--I tried to keep this one low key. I don't know if any one else is having problems turning 40?
    Kelly Sherck Domnauer  2638
    03-12-2003 08:21 AM ET (US)
    I think I speak for the women when I say, "OH MY GOD!" You guys are too much. I laugh (and cringe!) every time I log on! Thanks for the invaluable information. Next time I'm at a party and someone asks if anyone knows how to collect boar semen, I'll be able to participate in the conversation! :) Have a good one....
    DOMINIC  2637
    03-11-2003 06:11 PM ET (US)
    WOW! I HAVE LEARNED MORE IN THE LAST FEW MESSAGES THAN MOST KIDS LEARN AT TEXAS A&M IN 4 YEARS.
    John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2636
    03-11-2003 05:48 PM ET (US)
    I'll refrain from describing the human method of extraction, though there are several wonderful techniques!
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2635
    03-11-2003 04:32 PM ET (US)
    (For those that don't want to know or may be offended about animal sperm collection techniques, don't read my post below)

    Dominic, ok, I just talked to my repro expert buddy who collected semen from boars, bulls, and stallions in his previous career. First, some average ejaculate volume by species:

    Rabbit - 1.0 ml
    Man - 3.5 ml
    Bull - 4.0 ml
    Stallion - 70 ml
    Boar - 250 ml

    As you can see chicharone pigs are at the top of the chart, with maximum volumes up to half a liter!

    Since I already went into great detail on rabbit collection and John can demonstrate how it's done in humans, I'll try and describe how it's done in the bull, stallion, and boar. With bulls, you stand behind a strong steel fence, hold the artificial vagina or AV (which is a piece of radiator hose, warm-water filled, lined with special latex, and a 10 ml collection tube at the end), and grab the bull penis and place it into the AV. For a stallion, you can stand next to the horse without the steel fence and collect in a similar manner, except your AV is MUCH larger and your collection tube is probably 100 ml. The boar has a corkscrew shaped penis (hence the term screw) and semen is collected by squeezing the pig penis head as pressure is what induces ejaculation.

    So, know you know how Isauro handles stallions.

    Mike, Dominic and I need a few caguamas and we'll be ready work on Isauro's ranch!
    Ramon Ricoy  2634
    03-11-2003 09:55 AM ET (US)
    I thought we were not pasting messages to this chat, only original thoughts, but I got this one and could not resist sharing it with you.
    Kids Advice on Love and Marriage
    HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHOM TO MARRY?
    You got to find somebody who likes the same
    stuff. Like, if you like sports, she should like it that you like
    sports, and she should keep the chips and dip coming. * Alan, age 10
    No person really decides before they grow up who they're going to marry. God decides it all way before, and you get to find out later who you're stuck with.
    Kirsten, age 10
    WHAT IS THE RIGHT AGE TO GET MARRIED?
    Twenty-three is the best age because you know the
    person FOREVER by then.
    Camille, age 10

    No age is good to get married at. You got to be a fool to get married.
    Freddie, age 6

    HOW CAN A STRANGER TELL IF TWO PEOPLE ARE
    MARRIED?
    You might have to guess, based on whether they seem to be
    yelling at the same kids.
    * Derrick, age 8
    WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR MOM AND DAD HAVE IN
    COMMON?
    Both don't want any more kids.
    * Lori, age 8
    WHAT DO MOST PEOPLE DO ON A DATE?
    Dates are for having fun, and people should use
    them to get to know each other. Even boys have something to say if you listen long enough.
    * Lynnette, age 8

    On the first date, they just tell each other
    lies, and that usually gets them interested enough to go for
    a second date.
    * Martin, age 10

    WHAT WOULD YOU DO ON A FIRST DATE THAT WAS
    TURNING SOUR?
    I'd run home and play dead. The next day I would call all the newspapers and make sure they wrote about me
    in all the dead columns.
    > >
    Craig, age 9
    WHEN IS IT OKAY TO KISS SOMEONE?
    When they're rich.
    > >
    * Pam, age 7
    The law says you have to be eighteen, so I wouldn't want to
    mess with that.
    * Curt, age 7

    The rule goes like this: If you kiss someone, then you should
    marry them and have kids with them. It's the right thing to
    do.
    * Howard, age 8

    IS IT BETTER TO BE SINGLE OR MARRIED?
    > >
    I don't know which is better, but I'll tell you one thing.
    I'm never going to have sex with my wife. I don't want to be all grossed out.
    > >
    > > * Theodore, age 8

    It's better for girls to be single but not for boys.
    Boys need someone to clean up after them.

    * Anita, age 9

    HOW WOULD THE WORLD BE DIFFERENT IF PEOPLE DIDN'T
    GET MARRIED?
    > >
    There sure would be a lot of kids to explain, wouldn't there?
    > >
    *Kelvin, age 8

    "And the #1 Favorite is........"

    HOW WOULD YOU MAKE A MARRIAGE WORK?

    Tell your wife that she looks pretty, even if she looks like a truck.
    *Ricky, age 10
    Alex McGrath  2633
    03-10-2003 09:40 PM ET (US)
    >Never be afraid to try something new.
    > Remember that amateurs built the Ark.
    > Professionals built the Titanic.

    Somebody sent me this. For some reason I thought of sharing it with this fine crowd of professionals...
    Mike Buhler  2632
    03-10-2003 05:09 PM ET (US)
    Here's the latest from Yahoo News Site re: the Iraq situation:

    3:23PM Iraqi troops offer surrender; told to come back later : London's Mirror reports that terrified Iraqi soldiers have crossed the Kuwait border and tried to surrender to British forces - because they thought the war had already started. According to the report, the band of a dozen troops waved the white flag as British paratroopers tested their weapons during a routine exercise. The stunned paratroopers from 16 Air Assault Brigade were forced to tell the Iraqis they were not firing at them, and ordered them back to their home country telling them it was too early to surrender.
    DOMINIC  2631
    03-10-2003 12:25 PM ET (US)
    DWIGHT:
    I COULD SEE YOU HOLDING A CUP FOR A RABBIT, BUT FOR A HORSE OR BULL? THAT'S MAJOR CUPS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, MAYBE EVEN BUCKETS, ISN'T THAT A LITTLE DANGEROUS?
    John M. BauerPerson was signed in when posted  2630
    03-07-2003 08:03 PM ET (US)
    Ah, Dwight, now as long as you don't post your masturbation pictures, keep up the good work.
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2629
    03-07-2003 07:49 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 03-07-2003 07:50 PM
    http://www.geocities.com/povoyager/rabbits.html
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2628
    03-07-2003 07:39 PM ET (US)
    Mike, you're a saint. I knew someone would understand.

    As to how it is collected, a fellow researcher I know used to collect pig, bull, and horse semen. I think they make an artificial vagina collecting vessel and stand there holding the thing. Well, at least that's how I did it when I screwed rabbits for the government. Seriously, we did a reproductive toxicity study on rabbits exposed to lead. The project officer made these artificial vaginas out of a PVC T connector and penrose drain tubing. You fill the connector with warm water as temperature is a contributing stimulus for rabbing ejaculation. Then you hold a teaser female rabbit, place her in the cage, hold the artificial vagina (complete with a 25ml test tube connected) under her hind legs, and let the male rabbit mount. You have to be quick and make sure the male rabbit's penis doesn't bypass the collection device. And, if you still don't believe what I just said, then I'll just post this image.....hold on.....
    DOMINIC  2627
    03-07-2003 05:46 PM ET (US)
    MIKE:
    YOUR POST MADE MY DAY! IM STILL LAUGHING 2 HOURS LATTER.

    DWIGHT AND ALEX:
    GRAB YOUR MAGAZINES AND PACK YOUR BAGS, LOOKS LIKE WE GOTTA GO SERVICE CAPONE AND COLPAXI!

    ISAURO:
    INQUIRY MINDS DO WANT TO KNOW! HOW MUCH CAN YOU COLLECT AT A TIME? DO YOU SELL IT BY THE GALLON?
    Mike Buhler  2626
    03-07-2003 01:57 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 03-07-2003 01:58 PM
    Dwight, Alex and Dominic, I believe we may have lost our female audience with your candid sharing of your masturbation stories. However, after perusing Isauro's web site, all your home practice may not be for naught. You see, Isauro's firm makes its sales by sending its clients macho horse semen on the day of collection. I'm sure that if your respective day jobs don't pan out, maybe Isauro can hire your guys for making sure the horses' semen gets ejaculated and collected.
    Isuaro, how do you actually collect horse semen?
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2625
    03-06-2003 06:00 PM ET (US)
    Isauro, awesome website! Beautiful stallions and quite an impressive pedigree. That must be a very enjoyable occupation.

    Alex, I was just razzin' you amigo.

    With my blinding chronic masturbation I have 20/15 eyesight. For good male reproductive health, you need to ejaculate frequently to remove excess prostate fluid, which helps shrink the prostate (unless actively married includes daily intercourse :)
    Alex Loya  2624
    03-06-2003 02:20 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 03-06-2003 02:21 PM
    Dwight, all I can say is... I still have 20/20 eyesight!...
    and I'm actively married! And besides, Dominic, if there is
    one thing that I desire more than to feast my eyes with
    naked beautiful women is to see and experience the reality of God in this life, and Jesus said "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God." and that means not just
    in the sweet by and by, but in this life too (and that's no cuento de Pepito), and I don't think its possible to keep a pure heart while enjoying the fine pictures in Good Housekeeping or while slapping spanky... or is it spanking slappy? Whatever! You know what I mean!... or at least its very difficult!
    Marivi  2623
    03-06-2003 11:01 AM ET (US)
    ?Quien se anima a venir a Cancun en Mayo?

    http://www.evite.com/marivi1@aol.com/ahsreunion
    Rebeca Sato  2622
    03-05-2003 11:09 PM ET (US)
    Edited by author 03-05-2003 11:20 PM
    Isauro: Que buena onda!! Me encanto tu website!!

    Hi Cubs:

    Congratulations to the (AHS) bears who endured the 6.5 degree water (44F) in yesterdays plunge, thank you for coming out to this chilling event. For those bears who hibernated that would like to see stats, a few pics, and other info related to the polar bear swim, please see the link below.

    http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/parks/recreation/polarint.htm

    Attached are the plungers (I know it sounds a bit funny) (except for Monica on the far left who kindly refused to swim). Thanks to Dave for the photos.

    Rafael Missrie (78)

    The pics: http://www.asfalumni.com/vb/showthread.php...ostid=2258#post2258


    If you cannot see the pictures please go to,

    http://www.asfalumni.com/vb/index.php

    under Reunion Photos, Polar Bear Swim Vancouver 2003
    Isauro  2621
    03-05-2003 10:02 PM ET (US)
    Hey guys. Check out my website www.osjs.com

    These are the stallions that I play with, ride, compete and manage their breeding careers. After 30 years I finnally have International calibre horses.

    Tell me what you think.

    Cheers!
    Isauro
    isauro@osjs.com
    Dwight WerrenPerson was signed in when posted  2620